Wait so not getting fired for punching a co worker in the face and breaking his jaw regardless of the situation is kissing ass at work? I'd say that is the direction most reasonable people go aside from the fact that punching said co worker in the face could land you in jail and in court being sued. Being the joke in your neighborhood? This isn't the hood where guys are gang banging, this is a job, you are a professional football player. You are making 500 K a year as a 3rd string LB in the NFL. You are not selling weed on the corner to teenagers. Comparing Geno sticking his finger in someone's face to a bully picking on my son? My son has learned Shaolin Kung Fu for a reason, he is going to start learning Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for a reason. To never have to use it. At what point did IK defend himself? I didn't realize a finger in your face is some sort of physical violence. You are right, defending yourself for protecting yourself doesn't make you a knucklehead but breaking a co worker's jaw because he stuck a finger in your face does.
No it absolutely shouldn't. What Sheldon did was worse but it's a pending legal matter and occurred out of house. There was no direct animosity towards a teammate, all the facts are still to be laid out in court, and no team staffer was there to witness it. The Enemkpali thing was as bang-bang as it gets. He popped his teammate and it was seen by staffers. Unlike Sheldon, it happened in house, was towards a teammate (the starting QB), and was witnessed to occur. If Sheldon did the same thing instead, he would also be gone. What i DO give you is that if Enemkpali did what Sheldon did...Enemkpali would be released. When it comes to pending legal matters that occur out of house...then teams actually do seem to favor their star players. They weigh the risk of accepting the legal process in turn for a great player. If IK did what Sheldon did, the Jets would have probably felt that going along with the legal process was not worth keeping him.
I'm not defending his actions, nobody is. I think the fact that he did punch Geno is unacceptable. It shouldn't happen. I'm just saying if you poke a bear or tiger you shouldn't be shocked if you get attacked. I'm with Revis on this one and all the other players and former players who don't just throw IK under the bus, they all say the same thing. Both guys mishandled this situation.
this is exactly the conversation we should be having... while Bowles did not discipline or hold Geno accountable in any way, i'm hoping he plans on simply moving forward without him, and not looking back unless absolutely necessary. Geno is just not the guy..
What you've been saying all morning and this post are nothing alike. It sure seems like you've been condoning IK's actions with the whole "if you run from a fight you won't get far in life" nonsense.
On the Bowles side here, I am not going to dump on him. I get the concern about uneven treatment, but IK did deserve to get cut. What happens to Smith is a matter we probably have not seen the last of, and in the short run Bowles quite simply has not had to make any kind of final judgment. He knows Smith is not playing, and will be facing medical procedures. It gives him time to consider what to do. Bowles had to make a quick decision on IK, and he did. I know people want to see consistency and symmetry in decisions in contexts of this sort. But imo there's enough difference as a practical matter to differentiate the two situations. In other words, Bowles is handling it fine, imo. Now having said that if it turns out this apparent consideration that Smith showed poor judgment here ends up being the basic takeaway as far as he is concerned, then yeah I would hope Bowles takes that into account going forward. In other words on that one, I am hopeful Bowles ends up concluding that Smith is not going to be the leader of this team, and handles his roster decision accordingly.
Trust me, I'm the furthest thing from a tough guy. I don't even know what that means or who that would be. I avoid any type of confrontation. If you're the type of guy that runs away when backed into a corner that's up to you, I wasn't brought up that way. Not by my parents, not by the people I hung with. And you actually make my point. You don't start fights, you finish fights. That's exactly what I said. Maybe you should read it over again, I never said anything about wanting to start fights or looking for trouble. Those people are knuckleheads, they'll end up in jail/hospital sooner or later. I'm talking about people once backed into a corner defending themselves, everybody should be like that. Don't start a fight, don't look for trouble, but if somebody is bullying you defend yourself.
It doesn't have to be physical violence. I don't have to wait for you to punch me before I respond, that would be silly. You're not gonna win any fight that way. What would you do if somebody spits in your face, over and over again? That's not physical violence, is it? I guess you'd just walk in circles to save your job. Free facewash I guess if you look at it that way. The other part is true however. It's the NFL, these guys are pro's, they make a lot of money. But that doesn't change the fact that they grew up a certain way. Just because they're in the NFL doesn't mean they're suddenly adults. Look around the league, players do stupid stuff all the time. Look at Sheldon. Look at Aldon Smith, Ray Rice, Vick. There's no on/off switch for how you were brought up. It takes a lot of time to adjust, for most people. A lot of mistakes to be made for some people to change. I still don't think he or anybody should be running away in that type of situation if a guy half your size puts his finger in your face and starts arguing with you. I wouldn't knock him out, but I'd slap his hand away. Either he backs down and in that case it's all good and we move on, or he starts throwing first in which case he'd still lose I'd imagine considering the mismatch. Like the report said, it got out of hand so fast. Geno didn't see it coming, he thought he was safe for whatever reason.
I'm sorry if this has been posted already but this thread is getting big, has anyone seen this quote? : Right guard Willie Colon, on whether Smith shoulders some of the blame for what went down: "Next question. I want to answer you, but I won't, and I can't, so next question." http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/what_getting_punched_by_a_teammate_says_about_jets.html
I said all along that punching somebody in the face the way IK did was unacceptable. At some point we have to get over that. A lot more stuff has happened leading up to it, that's what we're argueing about. You're virtually the only guy who keeps trying to put this all on IK when Geno was the problem. He owed IK money, he didn't even bother to show up or cancel his trip to a charity event (very classy), he put his finger in IK's face. All that led to IK clocking him. We've got the punching part down, unaccaptable. Let's talk about the stuff that led to this. You don't want to because you might have to put some of the blame on Geno.
If I'm at work you better believe I'm walking away, I'll let him deal with the consequences on his own. And there certainly is a major difference between stickng your finger in my face and repeatedly spitting in my face. If I'm in a bar yes you are getting punched. if I'm at work karma will catch up to.
You went into your tough guy diatribe in response to me pointing out that if you punch someone for pointing a finger at you then you are guilty of assault. And I in no way made your point, my point was someone can walk away from a fight without being a pussy, you think that walking away means you are a punk and that apparently your whole life will be flushed down the toilet, your family will hate you and the neighbors dog will take a shit on your chest. You equate someone putting their finger in your face with being pushed around, backed into a corner and think the only response is to fight. They weren't in a corner, IK could have walked away and the coaching staff would have probably welcomed his maturity after the prior regime took a chance on drafting him. Instead he felt like you, that he would lose respect so fighting was the only option. That worked out well for him.
I am glad most of you are finding the humor in all this...This is the same old same old Jets that I have come to see in my lifetime. A fucking joke, it sucks but this sucker punch does not bother me at all...In fact, I brush it off and move onto the next headline story. It's incredible how this crap never happens with teams in smaller markets. The bullseye is bigger then all hell
You really didn't get anything I said, I suggest you move on with your day instead of wasting your time. Plenty of other people actually agree with me so maybe you should look into whatever it is that keeps you from getting what I said.
In this case Geno has the right to beat IK with a bat. Now he can't eat, doesn't have the chance to make more money, and damn sure ain't getting a bitch with that fucked up jaw.
I got exactly what you said, you equate someone pointing a finger at you with backing you into a corner and the only response is to fight. As far as all these people that agree with you, I don't doubt there are some but the only ones in this thread right now discussing it seem to be 3 people disagreeing with you and the other 2 are both saying almost the same thing as I am. I guess we all don't get what you said, that might be due to a problem in your writing style.
Sure sounds like that cop he beat the shit out of backed him into a corner. You don't deny a bear his underage wing man, you get bit.
