Movie theater shooter's mental problems didn't stop him from buying gun

Discussion in 'BS Forum' started by NotSatoshiNakamoto, Jul 26, 2015.

  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    27,606
    Likes Received:
    28,804
    population of deer and vermin is already out of control.

    I'm a hunter myself so I was in no way saying that to take away from your point, but i guess to add to it
     
  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    Wow, a government agency pandering to a special interest group to insure its survival funding. Knock me over with a feather.

    Not that I believe anything the government says mind you. JetBlue has the perfect free market solution.
     
  3. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    Are you this dumb in real life? Or is it an internet persona thing?
     
  4. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    Not to mention school children, church folk and theater goers.
     
    jonnyd likes this.
  5. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2004
    Messages:
    11,673
    Likes Received:
    5,898
    The law shielding gun manufacturers has no logical merit. Product manufacturers in other industries are all required to assume the costs of government dictated safety policies. Industries like apparel and food are required to test their raw goods and keep their facilities clean. That cost is assumed by the manufacturers. The government has dictated that registering gun ownership is a safety measure for the product but doesn't require the manufacturer to assume it, therefore eliminating a private business from responsibility if it isn't followed. It's a deliberate action to insulate gun manufacturers from responsibility that the government requires other industries to assume.

    There is no logical reason not to make it the responsibility of the manyfacturers.
     
  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    16,349
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    It has the same hole that allowed this shooting to occur which is an incompetent government agent. How can a manufacturer lookup information that hasn't been documented?
     
  7. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    A manufacturer can be properly incentivized to prevent dangerous instrumentalities of all kinds from getting to places where they are likely to do significant damage. Every blender manufacturer since the dawn of the industrial revolution understands this. Risk analysis is something private industries learn to get very good at.

    On the other hand, you can place all your faith in the government to make sure nitwits with no business wielding nailclippers can get their hands on guns. I don't think you'd like that setup. For example, when I am in charge of who gets guns, I will immediately eliminate bitter disaffected paranoid racists. And I will pay attention to an applicant's social media posting history. That's going to work out just swell.
     
  8. JetsHuskers fan

    JetsHuskers fan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2014
    Messages:
    1,943
    Likes Received:
    600
    Could be worse. I'd rather be dumb than be a keyboard commando like you.
     
  9. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    So you've succeeded at something for once in your life. Good for you. There's a special Olympics ribbon with your name on it.
     
  10. JetsHuskers fan

    JetsHuskers fan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2014
    Messages:
    1,943
    Likes Received:
    600
    :rolleyes:
     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    16,349
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    feel free to use a blender if you ever need to defend yourself and your family from evil. I suggest that you carry one with you at all times so you're prepared.
     
  12. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2013
    Messages:
    5,223
    Likes Received:
    1,053
    I heard an interview on CNN today with Mark Kelly, Gabby Gifford's husband. He's an ex-astronaut and Navy pilot who had combat duty. And even though his wife was shot not an over-the-top gun opponent. He's for tightening rules and regulations and getting fed-state-local authorities to work together. What he said on carrying in public places like movie theaters I agree with. Even with the best of intentions people with loaded guns in a crowded place like a movie theater can do more harm than good. They aren't trained and even cops in these kind of chaotic situations make mistakes. Hey what if you're in the movies and some little ass wipe tosses out a firecracker thinking it's funny. Or maybe on the street a car backfires. And people untrained think it's a shooting could start firing. Thanks but no thanks. We don't need wannabe cops trying to enforce the law.
     
    #72 pclfan, Jul 27, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2015
  13. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2012
    Messages:
    14,920
    Likes Received:
    9,236
    Which main argument?
     
  14. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    16,816
    Likes Received:
    15,946
    I am quite happy with the safety of myself and my family thanks. Added bonus, we have healthy fruit smoothies every morning.
     
  15. NotSatoshiNakamoto

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    16,349
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    famous last words
     
  16. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    27,721
    Likes Received:
    31,387
    That the sportsmen industry should not be inadvertently eliminated by legislation that makes guns and ammo to expensive for the common citizen
     
  17. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2004
    Messages:
    11,673
    Likes Received:
    5,898
    Appeal to emotion and appeal to extreme.
     
  18. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    27,721
    Likes Received:
    31,387
    Are you saying they should not have a voice in the debate?
     
  19. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    27,606
    Likes Received:
    28,804
    Gun manufacturers are required to test their products for safety and keep their facilities clean too, the cost is assumed by them as well. You said yourself in these instances the guns are doing what they are properly designed to do.

    How does that compare to your point about other product manufacturers? Industries like apparel and food are required to test their goods and keep their facilities clean to ensure their products don't malfunction and cause harm. They aren't held accountable for how people use them... otherwise the family of every fatass who dies could sue the twinkie company. They can only sue the twinkie company if they are selling twinkies with listeria, against public knowledge, not if they are selling their product within regulation and people just used them wrong.

    If these guns were exploding in peoples hands unwittingly and killing people because of manufacturers error, I would understand your argument. But as is, I don't.
     
    FJF and NotSatoshiNakamoto like this.
  20. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2004
    Messages:
    11,673
    Likes Received:
    5,898
    Different industries have different requirements. Part of the safety of guns is their distribution, not just their manufacturing. And gun manufacturers are not responsible for the safe distribution of their products and record keeping.
     

Share This Page