Reminds me of last year when the only guy Idzik was salivating over was Michael Vick. Granted, we did need to improve at the QB position, but Idzik ignored many other glaring needs to go after this guy. Not to mention all the controversy surrounding Vick, only to have him not be prepared to play QB at all. This year we did it right. Try to improve in all the bad areas and go BPA in the draft. You'd think it would be common sense.
Smith holds onto the ball too long yes, but its more than just Gailey calling the plays. Its design. Gailey is going to put him in the shotgun with more people out there running routes. That alone is going to help some with the problem of holding onto the ball too long. No longer will we see 1 WR on a route and 1 TE on a route, and 6 other decoys in motion or faking a run while the play is literally designed for a QB who struggles with fundamentals to take a 7 step, complicated play action drop where he fakes to one side and then rolls all the way back around with 1 WR downfield. And we wonder why he held onto the ball too long? Morningweg would shoot himself in the foot and then blame the gun. In this case the gun was Geno Smith. So he holds onto the ball to long? So his footwork sucks? how about designing an offense to mask that a little? And you had Rex who knew nothing about offense to say- WTF?
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To me, I wasn't even thinking about Dee Milliner prior to the draft. The surgeries were a red-flag to me. I was on the Warmack bandwagon from day 1. No one liked my idea because everyone yelled at the idea of drafting a G high in the draft.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/the-9-looks-good-for-the-jets.76841/#post-2722376 Good thread to view going back to the draft.
Let me put it this way - I don't expect there to be any significant upgrade when it comes to performance by the OC. Part of the reason is I don't think there are any easy answers for masking Smith's fundamental problems. For example, going shotgun - well it's not like the Jets didn't use the shotgun last year. Would they have been better off going shotgun more? How much more? You go shotgun all the time, there's a cost. It limits your offense. And not to defend Marty too much, but with a young Qb you want to see if he can handle the normal duties of an NFL Qb. You want to see in game situations that your Qb can operate from behind center, taking 3, 5 even 7 step drops. You don't play him in a very narrow range of sets and limit his development without even trying to see if he can become more varied and flexible. So are we really saying we are giving up on Smith's development playing behind center? I know that's not what you intend to say, but again, how many more plays will have him in the shotgun? I am in any event skeptical how he operates there. I don't have the link here, but i seem to recall an analysis that said you can't really pin the length of time he held onto the ball to his doing so in plays that called for seven step drops. In that connection he has not shown me he's any good at quick passes, or passes to RB's. On having more people out there, that means less blockers, and less blocking. Running routes, meaning only short ones? D's will load the box and jump his passing lanes. Longer routes? Takse more time, less blockers, where does that lead to? I just don't think Marty didn't know what he was doing and just was failing to figure out some easy way to get more out of Smith.
I certainly agree you were mentioning Warnack as your link establishes. But that post was 2/11/13. My point in my previous post was that the opposition to drafting Milliner was muted because Revis had been traded and the Jets needed a starting Cb. Revis was still on the roster when you made that post about Warnack. He wasn't traded until two months later.
OK that's fine, just establishing that first and foremost. I still would not have taken Milliner. At that moment in time, there were already plenty of rumors about Revis being traded. The relationship had already soured. I would have stood by my draft board anyway. I know a CB was a need, but I don't believe he was the BPA when you consider injury history, and other factors.
Morningwood was around the game along time and certainly knows how to run an NFL offense but he's obsolete. I understand he used some shotgun by my play scenario above happened much more than a shotgun play on 3rd down. How does one, in today's NFL run 3rd down plays with only 2 "pass catchers" running routes? particularly when they aren't dominant receivers and have trouble getting open? The players today, the game today don't matchup to how he wants to do things. Morningweg & his offense with Chad Pennington in 2002 NFL would've been a hell of a fit. But Geno Smith or a lot of young QBs in todays NFL is not. They aren't precision, fundamental QBs, nobody plays the thinking man's game anymore. They spread people out and pick you apart athletically, not bunch everyone up in the backfield and script up something complicated to win. -- I have watched Gailey a lot and I am cautiously optimistic because even though he himself is 100 years old his offense translates well to todays young players and especially Geno Smith. He's not going to load up on all Morningwood's smoke and mirrors BS. He's going to spread everything out - which Smith is used to, and its going to be a hell of a lot less complicated. If Geno Smith ever looked good in his time here it was when they did that. 2 minute drills and what not when they threw out all Morningwood's bullshit and he just relaxed and relied on his athleticism. That's what Gailey is going to try to emphasize. That's how you run an offense- you tailor it to the strengths of your personnel.. not steadfastly hang onto a scheme that lost its relevancy years ago at all levels. You can call me crazy, I don't care but I personally think we are going to be pleasantly surprised how Smith looks working with Gailey. They are both southern boys and play a style of football that lines up together. They both have nothing to lose anymore because they are at the point where there is no real expectations for them. I think its a nice fit all around.
I get what you are saying. But once Revis had been traded, speculation had ended, and the Jets had a gaping hole in the secondary. It affected the outlook. Not that it made the Milliner pick a good one. Just more... understandable.
IF & that is a HUGE IF GS has the ability to think much faster, can remember what he is being taught & most all can retain his focus thru out the game. I have sincere doubts that he his the innate ability to do what I posted sorry to say
