Geno has had about 32 games to convince me and I'm not convinced. I'll give Geno 2 Games. If he's terrific, keep him in. If he's average, give him another game. If he's horrific, then it's time to put in Fitzpatrick.
You are the one that said if Fitz is lighting it up. So let us say he is, why would they still go with Smith if he isn't showing a big improvement? The if's in my post gave you the scenario and had you had a reason for thinking they still go with Smith when Fitz lights it up, then you would have answered my question. You went to a lot of trouble with your post just to not answer my question.
I have reached the point in my fandom, and despite feeling very good about getting Bowles, that the Jets have to show me they have turned the corner before I can get too excited about them. It's not just Bowles, for starters. The Jets did not have many options at Qb in FA, and Fitz may have been the best fit. In the draft it was a case of too few Qb's and too low a draft position. And Gailey concerns me, too. Meanwhile the incumbent Qb is one of the worst starting Qb's I've ever seen in the NFL. I would prefer to see Fitz start and see what he has, leaving Smith as the backup while they see if they can develop Petty. I wouldn't even start Smith at all if I could avoid it, and am frankly disheartened the CS is tilting the competition his way again.
I said the leash would be shorter on Geno I didn't get crazy with it. Fitz won't be the starter week 1 and we all know that I'm not sure why it's even being debated.
Likely it is being debated because it is a possibility, especially if Fitz plays lights out in camp and Smith stinks the joint up. To think the current coaching staff would stick with Geno just because he has only been in the league 2 years or some other ridiculous reasoning doesn't make much sense to me.
Fitzpatrick has never played lights out in his entire life and likely isn't going to in a training camp with his 6th team at age 32. but yeah, if he plays lights out the job is probably his
I don't expect it, was only questioning the poster who suggested that if Fitz played lights out in camp that they would still go with Geno. At this point I guess I have to hope, against all rational thought, that Smith will show a tremendous progression in camp.
The Jets are trying to win this year. They're going to go with the guy that gives them the best chance to win. This is not a rebuilding project any more. There's no big payoff in 2016 or 2017 for developing the young guys. By 2017 this team is going to be in replacement mode throughout the secondary and on the offensive line. Harris is going to be on the verge of retirement if not there already. Both receivers are going to be over 30. The RB's are all going to be toasty. The Jets have to be planning to win in 2015 and they have to be planning to "try" to extend the window to 2016. That's what we have right now. You can't build a franchise around the defensive line when everything else is going to hell in a handbasket.
This is a classic example of ignorance and twisting words around. You're ignoring the fact that Fitzpatrick isn't very good and assuming that he is a better option than what he have. When choosing between 2 players that are very close in which one is better it is a proven fact that 99.99% of the time the player who will play is the younger player with more upside who has actually been invested in before a career journeyman, .300 winning QB, coming off a broken leg QB. He cannot "light it up" ever because he's not that QB but even by playing very good against backups in the preaseason Geno like I said earlier would need to perform like he did against Buffalo to lose his job that early. Too many people here are assuming Fitzpatrick is a good QB and that's fine just be prepared for disappointment. And before someone else proves ignorance providing that he is better than Geno or he couldn't be worse than Geno remember that regardless of who is worse that's not the discussion.
I totally get what you are saying, but the reality is as long as Smith is the qb, the Jets are not going to be competitive.
I think this is probably the case also. That's why I think his rope is a lot shorter than most people assume. The Jets don't even have the option of just tanking the year to make a run at one of the QB's who might be at the top of the 2016 draft. The guy will be a rookie in 2016 and then in 2017 the chaos of a major rebuild will likely be enveloping the organization again. The Jets window to win a Super Bowl is based solely on the defense and the fact that they have a few aging playmakers available on the offensive side of the ball. By 2017 the defensive line will be too expensive to keep together and the CB's will be old and the receivers will be getting there as well. Chris Ivory will be hitting the magic number for RB's and he's never been all that durable to begin with. For better or worse the Jets chances are right now. They're not going to let a stumbling QB hold them back when they have a vet behind him waiting to go. If you doubt the 2017 rebuild scenario just remember that Kevin Mawae getting hurt in 2005 was the moment that the little child screamed "the Emperor is naked!" The Jets LT Jason Fabini had been losing effectiveness as he went post-prime and he was done too. It took the Jets 3 seasons to get back in position to win at that point.
I disagree strongly with you. I don't think they are going for broke this year, nor do I think they will face crashing rebuild in a couple years. They simply improved the team this offseason in areas where it was a joke last season. Secondary & WR. That's not putting all hands on deck for this year its standard procedure. -if it was all about this year they'd passed on Leonard Williams easily in the draft. That's literally all you have to look at to realize your hypothesis is a silly one. But there's plenty more
You know what is really ignorant? Ignoring the fact that you are the one that said I responded to that post dumbass so before you start calling someone ignorant, you might want to look at yourself first. If "He cannot "light it up" ever" then why did you say "If Fitz comes out and lights it up in the preseason". I knew there was a reason I stopped responding to your dumb as fuck posts a while back.
I am not totally on board with Brad's going for broke analysis, since the Jets did not go all out to get a better Qb upgrade than Fitzpatrick. In other words relying on Smith is not going all out no matter what else you do to the roster. I also agree with you that secondary had to be upgraded to make the team something other than a laughingstock. But Brad is correct that my 17 this team will again be in what likely will be a major transition. The Jets will be lucky if Ferguson retains a deserved hold on his starting job through 16, but after that the odds of decline mount. Mangold is not getting any younger, either. Replacing those two will be a major challenge. The Jets will also probably be done with Cromartie by then, and Revis will likely be somewhat down from his current level. Other vets from Harris to Ivory to Marshall will all be well along in the aging process. If by 17 the Jets have not yet found their Qb, a combination of the need to continue that search along with replacing key starters elsewhere ends up being a rather challenging one, and I think Brad is right about that. I think rather than win now the team is hoping for big things in 16, IF they can get good Qb play from someone.
A major transition from what exactly? this team was 4-12 last year. They will be lucky to make the playoffs this year. A major rebuild from that in 2017? who cares Ferguson/Mangold/Cromartie/Revis, etc will all be older in 2017.. just like every other player in this league. Fortunately thats what we have drafts and free agency for. Its not like theres a minor league system here or anywhere. and Offensively there is quite possibly nowhere to go but up for this team. You worry about transitions and future rebuilds when you have players forcing you to keep/let walk, decisions to be made, etc. The Jets don't really have that. Ferguson for example, by 2017 his play will likely decline. And thats fine it will just mean they don't have to pay him the enormous salary he makes, perfect timing. They'll sign or draft an average LT making average or first year contract $$. Seattle has to worry about the future because they aren't going to be able to keep all their superstars, their window is limited. They have some tough decisions and might make some wrong ones as far as who to keep/who to let go... These Jets don't have that problem. We'll be more like the recipients of other teams' rebuild. The decisions they make that are the wrong ones would stand to only benefit the Jets. Either way... I mean.. whats the worst that could happen? 4-12? oh right where we are now
I had no idea you were on your period. I don't know what it feels like but I'm sure you'll get through it. Anyone who has actually watched Fitzpatrick play knows that he is not capable of doing anything more than managing the game which furthers my point of him not having a chance to "light it up" in the preseason. His best shot is Geno sucking and him doing a reasonably good job.
We are defintely trying to win this year, but the FO has already begun establishing a core for the future. I think the Jets have some decent pieces that are young. - If Ridley is healthy, he becomes our lead back for the next 3 to 4 years. He is the most talented back we have. - This year's draft class [Leonard Williams, Devin Smith, Lorenzo Mauldin] - D-Line [Whomever the FO chooses to keep] - DeMario Davis [if he continues to improve] - Pryor, Gilchrist, and McDougle I REALLY like this year's draft class. I don't see us in a rebuilding mode at all, I think we'll more than likely reload and continue collecting talent via the draft then to "blow it up." Especially if Mac and Bowles continue to improve and have a clear understanding on what they want. The next 2 drafts can allow us to bridge the present day Jets to the future Jets, I guess you can say. We can stay in contention, but the key is the QB position. Guess it also depends on what you consider rebuilding.
