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  1. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Pope Put Off Punishing Abusive Priest
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/world/europe/10pope.html?pagewanted=all
    The priest, convicted of tying up and abusing two young boys in a California church rectory, wanted to leave the ministry.

    But in 1985, four years after the priest and his bishop first asked that he be defrocked, the future Pope Benedict XVI, then a top Vatican official, signed a letter saying that the case needed more time and that “the good of the Universal Church” had to be considered in the final decision, according to church documents released through lawsuits.
     
  2. The Waterboy

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    Some church officials, like the American friar Benedict Groeschel, have blamed the epidemic of child molestation on sexually wanton boys who tempt priests into assaulting them.
     
  3. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Well, considering the only place you can go for a decent education, not to mention a garden variety sodomizing, is the Catholic Church, I'm not sure what you can expect from society at this point.
     
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  4. Truth4U2

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    lol. ... you know your kids are MUCH more likely to be sodomized by the other adults in their lives than from their parish Priest. But that fact doesn't fit your smear campaign, so just ignore it.
     
  5. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    That almost certainly true. But it doesn't excuse a single pedophile priest, does it? Maybe if your beloved Church didn't force these poor saps to live this totally unnatural and unhealthy lifestyle in the first place they wouldn't be inclined to look look for sex where they shouldn't. Or maybe you meant something else entirely when you spouted off about the Church being the "gateway to authentic personal freedom"? You sick fuck.
     
  6. Truth4U2

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    ....but back to the Catechism, which is what the Catholic Church actually teaches:

    "The Common Good
    1905
    In keeping with the social nature of man, the good of each individual is necessarily related to the common good, which in turn can be defined only in reference to the human person:

    Do not live entirely isolated, having retreated into yourselves, as if you were already justified, but gather instead to seek the common good together.25

    1906 By common good is to be understood “the sum total of social conditions which allow people, either as groups or as individuals, to reach their fulfillment more fully and more easily.”26The common good concerns the life of all. It calls for prudence from each, and even more from those who exercise the office of authority. It consists of three essential elements:

    1907 First, the common good presupposes respect for the person as such. In the name of the common good, public authorities are bound to respect the fundamental and inalienable rights of the human person. Society should permit each of its members to fulfill his vocation. In particular, the common good resides in the conditions for the exercise of the natural freedoms indispensable for the development of the human vocation, such as “the right to act according to a sound norm of conscience and to safeguard... privacy, and rightful freedom also in matters of religion.”27

    1908 Second, the common good requires the social well-being and development of the group itself. Development is the epitome of all social duties. Certainly, it is the proper function of authority to arbitrate, in the name of the common good, between various particular interests; but it should make accessible to each what is needed to lead a truly human life: food, clothing, health, work, education and culture, suitable information, the right to establish a family, and so on.28

    1909 Finally, the common good requires peace, that is, the stability and security of a just order. It presupposes that authority should ensure by morally acceptable means the security of society and its members. It is the basis of the right to legitimate personal and collective defence.

    1910 Each human community possesses a common good which permits it to be recognized as such; it is in the political community that its most complete realization is found. It is the role of the state to defend and promote the common good of civil society, its citizens, and intermediate bodies.

    1911 Human interdependence is increasing and gradually spreading throughout the world. The unity of the human family, embracing people who enjoy equal natural dignity, implies a universal common good. This good calls for an organization of the community of nations able to “provide for the different needs of men; this will involve the sphere of social life to which belong questions of food, hygiene, education,... and certain situations arising here and there, as for example... alleviating the miseries of refugees dispersed throughout the world, and assisting migrants and their families.”29

    1912 The common good is always oriented towards the progress of persons: “The order of things must be subordinate to the order of persons, and not the other way around.”30 This order is founded on truth, built up in justice, and animated by love.

    III. Responsibility and Participation
    1913
    “Participation” is the voluntary and generous engagement of a person in social interchange. It is necessary that all participate, each according to his position and role, in promoting the common good. This obligation is inherent in the dignity of the human person.

    1914 Participation is achieved first of all by taking charge of the areas for which one assumespersonal responsibility: by the care taken for the education of his family, by conscientious work, and so forth, man participates in the good of others and of society.31

    1915 As far as possible citizens should take an active part in public life. The manner of this participation may vary from one country or culture to another. “One must pay tribute to those nations whose systems permit the largest possible number of the citizens to take part in public life in a climate of genuine freedom.”32

    1916 As with any ethical obligation, the participation of all in realizing the common good calls for a continually renewed conversion of the social partners. Fraud and other subterfuges, by which some people evade the constraints of the law and the prescriptions of societal obligation, must be firmly condemned because they are incompatible with the requirements of justice. Much care should be taken to promote institutions that improve the conditions of human life.33

    1917 It is incumbent on those who exercise authority to strengthen the values that inspire the confidence of the members of the group and encourage them to put themselves at the service of others. Participation begins with education and culture. “One is entitled to think that the future of humanity is in the hands of those who are capable of providing the generations to come with reasons for life and optimism.”34"

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...techism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm
     
  7. The Waterboy

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    Pope Urban VI reigned from A. D. 1378-1389. During his reign an antipope rose up stating he was the real pope, that is, Clement VII. Because Joanna, Queen of Naples, sided with Clement VII, Pope Urban VI had her deposed and replaced by her cousin Charles of Durazzo. However, Charles and Pope Urban VI later had a falling out themselves resulting in Charles as well as some cardinals plotting against him. As a result Urban VI had six of these cardinals brutally tortured and then murdered (J. N. D. Kelly, M. J. Walsh, Oxford Dictionary of Popes, [Oxford University Press, 2010], p. 230; Richard P. McBrien ed., “Urban VI,” HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism, [HarperCollins Publishers Inc., 1995], p. 1290). In fact it is stated that while these cardinals were being tortured, Pope Urban VI complained that their screams were not loud enough for his satisfaction.
     
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    What is natural and healthy is to use your humanity, your intelligence and freedom, to control your sexual conduct. To develop a dedicated, loving, loyal relationship with your spouse, and reserve sexual activity for its intended purpose. We cooperate with God in bringing children into the world when we have sex with our spouse. In addition, it helps to form a loving bond with our life partner. The "marital act" we call it. That is what sex, properly understood, means, at least for us human beings.
    ...you can try to cheat all you want, but the way to a happy, healthy marriage is to have some discipline and use your sexuality for its intended purpose in marriage. If only more people did that, there would be no broken homes, and our children would be so much better off. There's no substitute for a stable nuclear family.
     
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    I guess they don't do such a good job with biology in those great Catholic schools. Unless all those pushy Jewish kids are monopolizing the teachers' attention.
     
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    1905-present Molest children and cover it up.
     
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    "Proved."
     
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    You just admitted that priests sodomize children. Game. Set. Match!
     
  13. The Waterboy

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    Doctors have proven a healthy sex life is good for you, unlike the repressed of the catholic church who only have sex to procreate which is unhealthy. Probably why priests are going around raping young children.

    So who do you think is laying pipe on your wife? You only have sex with her to have children so you know she is getting it elsewhere. The mailman maybe? UPS? She probably gets special delivery a few times a week.

    424 Priests Convicted and you keep trying to deny.
    http://www.ranker.com/list/christia...sexual-abuse/robert-wabash?page=3&format=GRID
     
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    Have to give Truth credit. He's becoming an epic TGG troll at this point.
     
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    Yes, pretty obvious at this point. I know I should stop responding.
     
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    For sure, guess they are losing the catholic audience so they have to expand their reach.
     
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    The good news for Truth here is that this is just a venial sin which he can work off in purgatory (isn't that where bulemics go?) rather than the mortal sins he is ringing up defending the pervert priests.
     
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    DING! Another mortal sin for Mr. Truth!
     
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    DING! Another mortal sin for Mr. Truth!
     
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    DING! Another mortal sin for Mr. Truth.
     
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