There's a big difference between fans or even teammates loving him, and thinking that he was a leader.
Oh I totally agree. He was the opposite of a team leader, notwithstanding that a few teammates took his side (being the divisive force that he was). _
It wasn't ego. It was the exact opposite. He knew he couldn't win a Super Bowl in 1997 or 1998 with Manning. If it had been an ego thing he'd have taken Manning assuming he could win with a rookie.
This! Also, Parcells had the confidence to know he could find / groom a QB. Between Vinny, Penny, and Lucas I would say he did better in the QB department than most.
If it wasn't ego (I still think it was), then it was stupidity combined with being a lousy judge of groceries.
Stop making excuses for Parcells not drafting Peyton. He could've still acquired Vinny here and had Peyton sitting waiting in the wings. You take the BPA [with that small combination of need], and Parcells failed to do so in 1997.
IMO in the 1997-1999 drafts, Parcells didn't draft BPA, he drafted for need, he was trying to plug holes and traded down so as to get more picks with which to address holes. For certain, if he was going BPA in the 1997 draft, his choice wouldn't have been Jeff Lageman. It would have been Peyton Manning or Orlando Pace or Walter Jones.
Yeah, never a fan of that strategy when you have good players at the top of the draft board. Especially a top pick. Parcells wasn't willing to work with Peyton, so Peyton went back to school.
where did I blame Parcells for Key? I said Key gave all the blame to Groh, Parcells allowed groh to take al the heat then when the trade worked out in the end BP was there to tale credit. Key had no idea about the draft, he clearly had an idea about who he was negotiating w/(who his people were). you think his people just told him Groh was running things for fun? I don't hate Parcells but I am sure not giving him credit for the 2000 draft. He said Groh was in charge, Groh said he was in charge, Key said Groh was in charge, those articles I posted al pointed to Groh being charge and again when you factor in losing BB and Key that draft wasn't anything special. it was more of a loss than a gain so no matter who gets credit we still lost.
try reading the numerous articles I posted from that time not 10 years later/ Talk about revisionist history.
stop it, realistically we weren't going to be a SB team in 2 years and no one knew Leon only had 2 seasons left on Earth. he was hired to turn the franchise around, BP took it upon himself to try to win quickly and he had no eye on our future.
I already posyed an article from that time stating he was a good teammate. if you ever get to meet any of the guys from that era please ask them. Key was well respect in those locker rooms, maybe not as a punk rookie but w/in 2-3 years he developed into one of the best WRs in the game and was one of the hardest workers on the team. whether he was a bad guy or not is meaningless, he was well respected and a team leader whetehr you want to believe it or not. No how many actual articles from that era I post you guys continue to ignore. that's not my problem.
this I disagree with. he had the most talented team in the league in Indy and could only win one SB but we would have been contenders more often than not and had more chances to reach SBs.
Parcells was in it for him as he always was, if he cared about the Jets he lets the Mannings know he's taking him and Peyton is a Jet. he didn't think he could win right away w/ a young QB and he wanted to win right away.
Your articles said nothing of the kind--some NY Times article said he "presided" over the draft which everyone knows is crap. Post an article that gives specifics about exactly what Groh did during that draft or admit that he had nothing to do with it. Parcells gave some fluff quote because he got caught with his pants down and again Keyshawn Johnson was 2000 miles away and NO idea who ran that draft. So we have an eyewitness account that gives specifics about what Parcells did in that draft but you still think some fluff quote and some ticked off player who had no idea who was in control and you think that is better evidence than what Tannenbau recounts? How about this? ANOTHER source in the War Room makes no mention of Groh but rather Parcells. http://nesn.com/2014/10/report-jets-almost-took-tom-brady-in-sixth-round-of-2000-nfl-draft/ Report: Jets Almost Took Tom Brady In Sixth Round Of 2000 NFL Draft Jets Almost Took Tom Brady In Sixth Round Of 2000 NFL Draft by Darren Hartwell on Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:15PM2,736 Share this: Fancred It’s the end of the 2013 regular season, and the New York Jets have just clinched their 13th AFC East title in 15 years thanks to superstar quarterback Tom Brady, whose eventual retirement send-off could rival that of fellow New York legend Derek Jeter. OK, New England Patriots fans, you can awake from your nightmare now. But according to a report, Tom Brady in Green and White wasn’t too much of a stretch. The Jets had already taken quarterback Chad Pennington with the 18th overall pick in the 2000 NFL draft. But as Gary Myers of the New York Daily News reports, one team scout was very high on a certain University of Michigan quarterback who was still on the board as the draft entered the sixth round. Myers, citing a source who was in the Jets’ draft room, wrote that the scout “had such a conviction on (Brady) he nearly stood on a table shouting his name to general manager Bill Parcells.” The scout failed to convince Parcells to take Brady, and New York selected defensive back Tony Scott with the 179th overall pick. Brady was still available twenty picks later, and the rest is history. Scott went on to play a grand total of 23 games in the NFL, including, ironically enough, a brief stint in New England. Brady, thanks once again to Mo Lewis and the Jets, took over for Drew Bledsoe in 2001 and developed into the one of the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history. We’ll give Parcells the benefit of the doubt for passing on Brady, since he’d already taken Pennington three rounds earlier. Still, as the Patriots get set to welcome the Jets on Thursday night, it’s hard not to think of what could have been. Photo via Greg M. Cooper/USA TODAY Sports Images No one is mentioning Al Groh--no one was screaming at Al Groh to take Brady, Al Groh didn't dismiss the idea. Al Groh had nothing to do with that draft. _
You post one article that specifically mentions another jackass calling Keshawn a team leader. We all lived through that era--he was a jackass and a bad teammate. Next dinner I have with a Jet I'll get a point blank quote. _
