of course he had say, say and final say are 2 very different things. every 1st rounder since 2010. you think Idzik was taking orders from Rex? and we still went D, was Rex around this year? and we still went D in rd 1.
Let's just say for a second that Parcells delegated his authority as GM to Al Groh and let him make the picks. If Groh was some kind of a draft genius doesn't Parcells get any credit for putting him in charge of the draft? Parcells made those picks but even if he somehow let Groh make the picks he still made that 2000 draft happen. Either way it was on his watch and the buck stops with him.
so we ignore that he ran off a HOF, 4 time SB champ coach and one of the best WRs in history to make that draft possible?
One jackass talking up another jackass. This is like Tannebaum talking up Parcells. Can't have it both ways. _
Except Parcells would never let that happen. Groh was a nobody. Anyone who thinks Al Groh took over a War Room from Bill Parcells--well, don't know what to say. _
BP himself said it, Keyshawn said it based on negotiations at the time. there's a lot of smoke there.
Bill meant nothing of the sort--he gave some puff quote to the papers when he gave Groh the job to make it seem like reality when in fact Parcells got caught with his pants down. We cannot be naive to believe such puffery, not when Tannenbaum gives distinct details of exactly what actually happened the day before and the day of that draft. Folks are free to believe that a guy who had zero personnel experience dialed up Bill Walsh to make a trade of a first round pick and masterminded that draft, just as others are free to believe he had absolutely zero to do with it. It's right to kill Parcells for a bunch of things--he did enough of them. Believing Al Groh ran that draft and the Big Tuna sat back and watched? _
Enough with this revisionist history. At the time Belichick was a failed head coach. Parcells was doing him a huge favor. He had promised the head coach position to Billy and he delivered, even getting him a nice $1 million advance. Belli was the one who reneged on the deal, skipped town and kept the money. We were all pissed at how he left the Jets but no one thought we were losing the Next Great Coach (who BTW has only been great with Brady; first season in NE he posted his usual 5-11 record). Don't blame Parcells for Belichick acting like a dick and stabbing his mentor in the back. Brady is the reason for the 4 SB's.
It's funny, because at the time he left, he was not a 4 time Superbowl Champ. He was a failed head coach and a conniving scumbag who took $1 million out of a dead man's hands. That he went on the cheat his way to some illegitimate SBs is the worst kind of 20-20 hindsight. _
he reneged thanks to BP hovering over him. whether he was a failed coach in Cle is irrelevant, he's won 4 SBs and been to 6. No one thought we were losing a great HC, no one thought Brady would be good either. BB did the same thing to Parcells that Parcells did to NE the first time so how good BP be pissed when BB followed the BP handbook?
he learned from the master on how to cheat and be a conniving scumbag. doesn't change the fact that he went on to win 4 SBs and we provided a div rival w/ a coach that won 4 SBs.
Keyshawn Johnson was not in the Jets War Room for the 2000 Draft. He would have no idea who ran that draft. Mike Tannenbaum was. He has recounted details about that draft and it was all Parcells. And Groh has never taken any credit for that draft nor has anyone else given him credit for it. As a non-personnel guy, it's not credible to think he deserved any. It's ok, keep believing it. _
Based on what I read BB had an up and down relationship with BP. And was tired of his "abusive" ways of handling him and others. He wanted another chance to be an NFL HC after having not enough success with the Browns. He didn't want to be under Parcell's thumb. Plus he had reservations about working with Woody Johnson. He knew Kraft and thought he could work with him. The cheating had little to do with his unbelievable success. To me it's just the way the guy is. He believed it was a part of football. And like with all areas of the game he tried to be ahead of the curve and out prepared everyone else. Plus he liked the larceny of the whole thing. It wasn't just trying to get an edge. It was trying to get away with something (that was illegal). And outsmart his opponents. I read the Halberstam bio on him plus watched just about every NFLN documentary on him. I dislike him but he's an interesting guy and a great coach. I distinctly remember when he was DC of the Jets. That Jets players went out of their way to say they had an advantage with him as their coach.
it's not revisionist at all, this is what was thought of at the time. Key wouldn't have any idea who ran the draft, he would have an idea who was making decisions since he was negotiating a new contract/trade. Clearly he thinks Groh sent him packing. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/22/sports/pro-football-jets-trade-up-for-johnson-replacement.html http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/31/s...ts-and-resigns-as-coach-after-one-season.html I have apparently reached my limit at nytimes.com. I will try to post links from home, I have articles where Groh states he has the power too. Not sure how many more I need to post though?
But earlier it was asserted that it was Parcells who shipped Key out and that he ducked all the criticism by allowing all the blame to fall at Grohs feet. So who was it? Parcells or Groh? If it was Groh, why blame Parcells for shipping Key out? And Key ALSO loved Parcells so he's protecting Parcells just like Tannenbaum? In reality, Key had NO idea why the Jets did what they did and he had absolutely zero insight into who ran that draft. None. He had no idea who was in control of the Jets. And really, Al Groh, with no personell or GM background traded for a first round pick with Bill Walsh and then presided over a draft with FOUR first round picks? With Bill Parcells playing the passive patsy? Really? _
he didn't step up and say he traded him, he allowed Groh to take all the bullets. how does Key have no idea but an article 10 years later does? BP's philosophy was the HC should be able to pick the players. Groh wasn't ready to be a HC either and he was our HC so while logically it doesn't make sense neither did the idea of Groh becoming our HC. BP, Groh, Key, reporters all mentioned how Groh was in charge. I wasn't in the draft room or in their front office so I can't tell you for sure, all I can go by are things I have heard through the years(I have had the chance to meet BP, I never asked him though. Hopefully I will meet him again) and things that I have read through the years. It points to go Groh and again either way neither should be crowing about getting rid of Key and BB.
So you're blaming Parcells for having the power and authority to trade Key (with him laying the blame on Groh to escape criticsm) but saying Parcells gave all of the power and authority and the credit for the draft to Groh? That's incredulous. So who got rid of Key? Parcells? Or Groh? Who you blaming? I know who I am. Btw, Groh was no where NEAR competent to be the HC and didn't deserve the gig and never would have been considered but for Bellichick taking a dump on him and the Jets. He was a knee jerk reaction-nothing more. He sure as shit wasn't qualified to be the GM too. And notwithstanding his bluster-I don't believe Parcells believed in giving the coach the ability to pick players-he believed in giving Bill Parcells the ability to pick the players. Look what he did when he got to Miami as the head of the Front Office and NOT COACH--he didn't give Tony Sparano the ability to draft players-Parcells made the decision to draft Long over Matt Ryan. I remember that 2000 draft VERY well and I don't recall anyone-team related or media- saying Groh had any hand in that draft. It was all Parcells. And the article written 10 years later was a first hand account of someone who was ACTUALLY IN THE ROOM at the time. Keyshawn Johnson had ZERO idea what went on in the Jets War Room for that draft. He doesn't even know who traded him- he blames Groh but he has no idea. He sure as hell didn't know who made those picks. But Mike Tannenbaum does. He was there. Hate on Parcells all you want but to trying to give Groh 1% of the credit for that draft is simply naive. _
1999 was supposed to be the year for us before Vinny went down. In 2000 we had to choose between Mo Lewis and Keyshawn Johnson as cap problems set in. No one knew at the time that the Jets would have one of the best drafts in their history. We looked like a sinking ship. Meanwhile New England had a boatload of high draft picks they got in exchange for Parcells and Martin. Belichik chose the New England job over the Jets job and Parcells was not the reason he left.
