Jet playoff game the D was bad, allowed 41 points but you can win a game allowing 41 points-not likely but possible. It is 100% impossible to win a game scoring ZERO points. they share blame but if anything the O gets more b/c they got shut out. the Steeler playoff game he was awful in the 1st half and was given multiple 2nd chances to win it and failed. Threw a clear INT to Polamalu that would have ended game and they overturned then goes 4 and out and sets up Pitt inside 5 of Indy, Pitt fumbles, D returns it to midfield and still couldn't get into chip shot range to get game to OT. that was on Peyton. how can the D be at fault when Peyton throws 4 INTs? in that game NE RBs had 26 carries for 108 yds, 4.1 YPC- good game. Indy RBs had 22-94, 4.3 YPC- very similar. why could Brady lead his O to 22 pts and Peyton 14? Peyton was picked off in NE EZ w/ 3rd and 3 from NE 5 preventing 3-7 pts and NE scored 3. 6-10 pt swing Peyton was picked on 1st and 10 at Ind 41 w/ great FP. NE scored 3. threw 2 INTs trailing 21-7 had INts on first 2 possessions of game how was this the Ds fault? they were constantly in bad spots all day.
OK so we can consider the Jets game - part of the defensive being inept as well as the offense. Even though the Jets offense went out of the gate. Steelers game - 14 points in the first QTR; defense played bad Patriots game, still we can blame Peyton, but again the Patriots defense played very well, the Colts defense didn't do anything. The lack of TOs, plays by the defense, already pointed that Polian poorly constructed the Colts defense. Peyton had to carry his team each time, if he plays poorly, so does the entire team. Only time that wasn't the case was the season where they won the SB. Brady in each SB, always had a good defense.
the D allowed 21 for the entire game, Peyton got multiple gist to tie that game and failed. Yeah they allowed 14 1st qtr pts. That happens sometimes. they settled down and allowed 7 the rest of the way. They allowed a TD on the first possession then Peyton got the ball- 3 and out. The D then picked off Ben and the O went 3 and out again after inheriting good FP. can't blame the D for that. The D kept the team in the game until the O could get something going and after turning it over on downs trailing 21-18 the D came on the field at the Indy 2 yd line. they forced a fumble AND returned it near midfield. Peyton couldn't even get into chip shot FG range. That game is on the O and Peyton. did the Pats D play very well or did the Indy O play very poorly? the next game against a mediocre offense that "great" D allowed 29 pts including 19 in the 4th qtr. Luckily for them they had Brady who led NE to 18 in the 4th qtr and the win. In that Pats playoff loss we have been talking about the D forced 2 TOs, in the Steelers loss the D forced 2 TOs Peyton didn't have to carry his teams, he had to play somewhat like he was capable and he rarely did that. In 6 SBs Brady's Ds have blown leads in the 4th in 5 of them, the only 2 they lost Brady didn't have enough time to overcome like he did the 3 they won.
Al Groh had nothing to do with that 2000 draft. Revisionist history at it's worst. The most he did was get Parcells coffee. He was a figurehead hastily elevated from LB coach to HC because of Belichick's abrupt departure. He was as much of a personnel guy as a Patriot lockeroom attendant and had as much to do with making any of those picks as anyone here. To think that Bill Parcells--he of the "If I'm going to be asked to cook the meal, I'd like to be able to pick the groceries" fame was going to turn over an entire draft to a non-personnel guy like Groh while the Big Tuna was still in control is incomprehensible. I hated his early drafts, but Parcells hit a 5 run grand slam in that draft. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...-shaun-ellis-chad-pennington-article-1.163924 New York Jets drafted big in 2000 when they picked Shaun Ellis, Chad Pennington and two others Mike Tannenbaum was a front-office neophyte at the time, Bill Parcells' salary-cap guru, which allowed him to ride shotgun for a history-making draft. Ten years later, the memories remain so vivid: He remembers listening to Parcells negotiate a trade with 49ers president Bill Walsh, two football legends doing business over the phone. Watching in awe as Parcells challenged a team official in the war room, resulting in a fiery response by the official that left the room in stunned silence. Thinking to himself, after a long day, the Jets had just altered the direction of the franchise. They did. On April 15, 2000, the Jets made four first-round picks, unprecedented in the 74-year history of the NFL draft. They selected Shaun Ellis, John Abraham,Chad Pennington and Anthony Becht, setting a foundation for the most successful decade in franchise history - five playoff appearances. Parcells, who left the Jets' sideline to become the team's top football executive for Al (One-and-Done) Groh, was gone a year later, but his handiwork still affects the team. Ellis is the sole survivor, but they traded Abraham in 2006 for a first-round pick, which became Nick Mangold, an All-Pro center. "It really was a remarkable draft," Tannenbaum said, reflecting on that wonder year. "It's still paying dividends." As Pennington told the Daily News, "It was rare and unique and historical." There isn't a future Hall of Famer in the group, but it includes a pair of defensive ends with multiple Pro Bowls (Ellis and Abraham), the most accurate passer in league history (Pennington) and a tight end (Becht) who has missed only 10 games in 10 years. They also scored with the fifth pick, wide receiver Laveranues Coles, who slipped to the third round because of off-the-field concerns. All five remain active in the league, unusual longevity in a sport that spits out busts and injury-plagued players on a regular basis. It's not easy to hit on one first-round pick, let alone four. They belong to an ever-dwindling group. Of the 32 first-round picks that year, only 11 still play. "I don't think you'll see that again," said former Cowboys executive and current NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt, referring to one team using four first-round picks in a single draft. "It's pretty hard to fit that in your rookie salary cap." The 2000 draft came at a time when the franchise was in turmoil. Parcells had quit coaching, and Bill Belichick, his heir apparent, had quit the Jets. The team was a punch line. To make it worse, star receiver Keyshawn Johnson wanted out. Parcells managed to extract a first-round pick from the Patriots, who hired Belichick, and he accumulated two more by trading Johnson to the Bucs. "It was a confluence of events," Tannenbaum said. "Everything fell into place." Many figured Parcells would trade one or two picks to save money, but he never gave it serious consideration. On the eve of the draft, he called Walsh and made a deal to move up four spots, to 12th, with the Belichick pick. The motivation: Get Ellis. That, in Parcells' mind, was the key to rebuilding the defense. With the 13th pick, acquired in the Johnson trade, Parcells picked Abraham after considering linebacker Julian Peterson, who also went on to a successful career. Then, with the 18th pick, came an "unexpected surprise," as Tannenbaum called it. Much to the Jets' amazement, Pennington was still on the board. Even though they had Vinny Testaverde and Ray Lucas, the Jets felt Pennington was too good to pass up. "Totally shocked me," said Pennington, who hadn't drawn much interest from the Jets. Minutes after the pick, they got a call from the Steelers, who wanted to trade for Pennington. Imagine if the Jets had agreed; the decade might have turned out a lot differently. Things got tense in the war room as the round progressed. The Coles discussion began, with Parcells asking team security director Steve Yarnell if Coles was a character risk. Parcells had dispatched Yarnell to Coles' hometown of Jacksonville to conduct a background check, and now the Big Tuna wanted answers. Yarnell, a former FBI agent and a man of few words, delivered a passionate endorsement of Coles. "Bill challenged him in front of the room, and I remember Steve's voice rising," Tannenbaum said. "He said, 'This is our ---ing guy. I guarantee Laveranues will be a good pro. Hold me accountable if he isn't.' Very rarely does anybody speak like that in the draft room. There was silence." The Jets decided to take Becht with the 27th pick, another fruit from the Johnson deal, but Yarnell had made his point on Coles, whom they had graded as a first-round talent. Without a second-round pick, they had to wait until the third before grabbing him, an interminable wait. In 24 hours, from the Walsh negotiation to the controversial Coles pick, Parcells had changed the face of the team. Some say he did it to preserve his own legacy, others believe he did it to give Groh the best chance to succeed. Privately, Parcells told friends he thought the draft would be remembered as an all-timer. In perhaps the biggest upset, the Jets managed to get all four No. 1s signed on time. The Fab Four made the playoffs twice together, in 2002 and 2004, with Pennington and Ellis contributing to another playoff season in 2006. Only Ellis remained for last season's magical run. As a group, the Class of 2000 failed to produce a championship, but Pennington believes that shouldn't be the only gauge. "Free agency can kill the legacy part of it," Pennington said, "but that draft allowed the Jets to have many successful years in the first decade of the 21st century." _
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/25/s...ls-hands-the-coaching-reins-over-to-groh.html It's nice that BP wanted to change history when some of the picks worked out but these were HIS words when he promoted Groh. when we traded Key and the Jets were getting killed Parcells gave that credit to Groh bit years later he wants the credit when it worked out. doesn't work that way. Look at the awful drafts 1997-1999 then look at 2000, it certainly looked like it was different guys running those drafts.
Hahahaaa let's believe the BS he said at the time and not an eyewitness account who recalls exactly what happened--actual details of what went on in the War Room during that draft. Parcells was a control freak, always was--Groh had nothing to do with those picks. _
an eyewitness who LOVES Parcells, very unbiased. Parcells didn't want to take the heat in 2000, he doesn't get credit years later b/c that one controversial move worked out. 1997-1999 were some of the worst drafts you will ever see especially after inheriting the top pick. all of a sudden he gets it in 2000? not buying it.
I love this, yes he gets credit for this. Thanks for getting a 1st rd pick for a HOF coach who would win 4 SBs w/ NE. Very even trade. Thanks Bill!
So we're disputing eyewitness account about trades with Bill Walsh with the specific intent of getting Ellis and War Room arguments between Parcells and Yarnell about Coles. Made up stuff? Because Tannenbaum loved Parcells? Got it. Yeah, Al Groh that noted personnel man ran that draft. Holy crap. THIS stuff you can't make this stuff up. _
The New York Jets' 2000 draft, led by Bill Parcells, left, included four first-round picks. AP Photo/Kathy Willens _
how many teams was Groh the HC of before that year? using that flawed logic I guess Parcells coached too? Parcells told everyone Groh had the power, he allowed Groh to take all the heat for the Key trade. Look at his horrendous drafts from 1997-1999 and tell me what is different btw those years and 2000?
Certainly not the best signing, but one guy I thought was a great pick up for the Jets was Johnny Johnson. As for worst, my top choice is Brett Favre, a whole season thrown out the window.
You can choose to believe Groh made those picks. Groh was a figurehead--Parcells had NO thought of ever making him more than a LB coach--he got caught with his pants down when Belli quit. But then then he turned the ENTIRE draft over to a non-personnel guy and he--the Big Tuna--just sat back? I can't be that naive. Parcells ran that draft, Groh got coffee. _
Maybe true but I will never give him credit, not when he wouldn't take the heat of the Key trade. the bottom line is Chad was good but hurt, Abe was gone w/in a few years, Jet fans hated Becht. of 4 1st rounders we got ONE longtime starter. that's better than 1997-1999 but far from great and not something he should have been taking bows for 10 years later like in that fluff piece. he started a dynasty for a division rival as a GM, that alone makes his years as GM a failure. as a HC, not many have been better in pro football history.
The last team Parcells was associated with where he didn't have the only say was the Giants. He left them because he didn't have the only say.
Groh got the last word alright according to Parcells... hahaha ... thats gospel to junk To actually think a guy would go from being a linebackers coach on January 21st to making all the key draft & FA decisions in just a couple months shows that person's lack of football acumen. Groh's "final" word: Parcells: "Hey Al, we're drafting Lavernanues Coles.. you good?" Groh: "Who's he?" Parcells: "He's a wide receiver from Florida State we decided we're drafting" Groh: "oh.. uh okay then"
