Mets Regular Season thread

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    This is the most optimistic I've felt about this team in years. I think we all expected Harvey to be really good and we were hoping for Wheeler. But who knew deGrom was going to become one of the best pitchers in baseball? And that Noah was going to be as dominant as he's looked? Who even dreamed about a Matz 2-3 years ago?

    We could have FIVE legit number 1 pitchers in our rotation next year.

    That is incredibly exciting to even contemplate that.

    I didn't feel that last year or the year before that or the year before that.

    We've been saying next year for years but not really meaning it, it was just a hope.

    Now I truly feel next year we are going to contend.

    And again, Sandy isn't perfect, no GM is. But I put nearly ALL of the blame on the Wilpons. Their payroll could be $150 million easy.

    And Sandy is a very bright, shrewd guy. I sat with him in his box last year for a whole game with DiPodesta and Ricco and those guys really know what they are doing. A very different set of skills that blend together as a great front office.

    I have faith in them and I'm damn excited about next year and with a little health and luck this year, we'll be right there.

    And if we make the playoffs with a top 3 of Harvey, deGrom and Noah?

    We could go very far. And who knows?

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  2. Attackett

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    I haven't quite understood all the Sandy bashing in here. I don't think he is a great GM by any stretch of imagination but I also think he is far from a bad GM and certainly not the issue here. I understand he doesn't get credit for 3/5 of the young guns but he does get credit for 2 and also gets credit for keeping them all instead of trading them for some JAG like Minaya would've done.

    I'm excited to see what he does at trade deadline with a team in contention for 1st time.
     
  3. pclfan

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    He has done a good job not trading the five. And Minaya, you're right he might have.
     
  4. pclfan

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    This is sheer speculation. I'm guessing. And I don't care if you get a canary over this. But in Moneyball we kn0w that Billy Beane sometimes made deals and when he put his own money into an acquisition if he later dealt the player and there was a profit, he got a cut. He had this arrangement with A's owner Lew Wolff. My guess (no proof) is that maybe Sandy (a former A's GM) gets a bonus if he keeps the payroll low. Sandy is a smart guy, he went to Harvard Law School. And he does do a good job keeping the payroll super low. And maybe he profits from it, too. As in: the more money Sandy spends the less he gets.
     
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  5. Walt White

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    Spot on. That's the way I see it too. That's my gut feeling about the FO also, from my observations. The bashing of him like he's an incompetent is ridiculous to me.
    That must've been cool meeting him. I have a lot of respect for him.

    But when we saw the pitching staff start to take form this year that's when the plan started to reveal itself. When you see the enthusiasm on the bench from the young guys you can feel the energy. It's a youth movement. That's what it's about.
    He built the Staff, he has Catchers, and there's position guys coming. It's a long term rebuild. He cleaned house, tried to stay competitive, and has tried to do a complete system rebuild at the same time.
    I admire the way he stays deadfast to his blueprint in the face of all negative outside noise.

    He's not gonna give up anything up unless it benefits them and the trade is in his favor. And if he doesn' t trade any pitchers at all I wouldn't be surprised.
    I believe at some point he'll make an addition or two, but he'll wait until it's right, in his view, for the future of the team. It may not be this year.
    This other stuff is all bullshit. Making moves just to make moves because 'he's failing this year otherwise', or 'why isn't he making this trade for this guy' is also bullshit without insight into the mechanations of working out a deal. Like he's some idiot.
     
  6. JStokes

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    It's the mentality of a petulant child.

    Whining about making moves just to make moves comes off sounding like a spoiled brat.

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  7. pclfan

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    I agree with Gary Cohen. You don't trade the big 5 but can't win with sub .200 hitters. You have to improve the bench and that could cost money. They have 6 million extra dollars to spend because they insured Wright's contract. I guess he's a whiner, too.
     
  8. Walt White

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    Just because Gary Cohen broached the subject doesn't mean anything. I guess that's where you got the McGehee idea too. Because Cohen used the example of the Marlins signing McGehee. He didn't even say that he thought that is what they should do. And Keith rebutted it, he disagreed with it anyway. I'll go with Keith on that one. Gary was whining btw
    McGehee is doing nothing for us. Who else is he supposed be adding right now?
     
  9. JStokes

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    The Mets have $6 million. They should just go SPEND IT!!!!!!! SPEND IT ON ANYTHING!!!! SPEND!!!

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  10. pclfan

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    I take that 6 million and spend it on Aramis Ramirez whose a bonafide MLB bat who was NL player of the week recently. And is known as a good second half player. And I send down Muno whose hitting .100. But I'm sure your good friend Sandy won't do anything.
     
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  11. irishwhip03

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    Syndergaard showed Friday night why you dont trade this kid for anything short of a guaranteed all star bat..and there's probably zero of those out there that are likely to be on the block. To strike out 13 batters..in a pretty good offense no less..this quick into a major league career , shows a lot. When he has his hook working he is nearly unhittable.

    Solid finish to the first half. For all the bitching we do as Mets fans , it is an accomplishment to go into the break only 2 back in the division and 1 back in the WC. Hopefully the hot hitting and pitching can continue into two tough places to play right out of the gate in the second half.

    Go into St Louis and take 2 out of 3 and start to put people back on notice like they were when we had that 11 game win streak.
     
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  12. nyjetsmets89

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    the 11 game win streak was fool's gold; it consisted of home victories against Miami and Atlanta and Philadelphia who are all bad teams.
     
  13. irishwhip03

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    It's still impressive to win that many consecutive games though. Unless the team is better than good , which the Mets aren't , you figure to slip up and blow one along the way.

    Even still that streak made people look at the Mets and think they have a shot to go somewhere this year. Maybe if they play well the next two series against two of the best teams in the league it will put people back on notice.

    In reality though I'll accept a split of the 6 games. Hopefully we take 2 in Washington.
     
  14. dawinner127

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    I can't find th picture on Twitter anymore but out of the 5 spot this year we are batting 0.091
     
  15. irishwhip03

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    Is that possible?

    I figure the average is low at every spot in the order , but if thats true its an unreal stat.
     
  16. dawinner127

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    I was shocked when I saw it. There were a lot of mid 200s a few 150s but that one stood out the most was that one. Sub 100 and its the middle of July. Unbelievable!! I'm pissed i can't find it. I've been doing crazy google searches and Twitter searches, but I can't seem to find out.

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  17. nyjetsmets89

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    We know these guys can barely hit, but I wonder how much of this is on Collins for essentially changing the batting order daily and having no set lineup
     
  18. pclfan

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    There is no way they hit .091 out of the 5 spot. This is basically impossible. Just look at lineups for every game and who was hitting. I just looked at five Mets 2015 box scores (different dates and months). In each game the five batter got a hit.
     
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  19. irishwhip03

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    It seems very impossible..and Im still not even sure if its real considering Ive never heard of Jared Diamond.

    But the fact that we are even thinking it could be true is pretty telling.
     
  20. Barry the Baptist

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    Pretty sad that if true the pitcher spot had the 2nd best BA for the month..
     

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