Football Perspective historical analysis of NFL Quarterbacks: Joe Namath

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Your entire explanation regarding your comparison of Namath to Geno was delusional 5 pages ago as it was 2 posts ago.

    You want to sing Geno's praises, have at it.

    Comparing the high regard Jet fans have for Namath and the low regard Jet fans have for Geno while continuing to harp on INTs is asinine.

    You refused to acknowledge it 5 pages ago when it was explained and you came right back with the same trolling question.

    What's the difference between Namath and Geno? Other than a SB?

    Troll on.

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  2. AugustWest

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    Geno Smith has been the worst rated starting QB in the NFL for the last 2 straight years in a row.

    That is worse than awful, that is pathetic.
     
  3. JStokes

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    But he's like Namath, right?

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  4. Truth4U2

    Truth4U2 Well-Known Member

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    I just recently joined the discussion in this thread. I'm sorry if I don't have time to read all of the posts in a 25 page thread. I have a life...
     
  5. JStokes

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    You made the exact same silly statement about 5-10 pages ago and half a dozen posters called you out on it. Some mocking but some with serious well thought out replies.

    You disappeared, decided not to read any of the replies or the articles explaining why your opinion made no sense given the context of how the game was played and how it was changed.

    Don't blame us if you choose to ignore the rationale and continue to post the same silliness.

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  6. Truth4U2

    Truth4U2 Well-Known Member

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    That's not true. But then again, given all of the lies you spew in the religion thread, with absolutely no basis in fact, I'm not surprised. Why do I bother anymore....every time I prove you wrong with actual facts and evidence, you just ignore it and call me names instead.

    Earlier today, I replied to this post...



     
  7. JStokes

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    You've never proven anyone wrong and you really shouldn't bring up the embarrassment of the religion thread.

    Go back to the FIRST time you compared Namath to Geno. And read the responses. Or go read the articles explaining why INTs of yesteryear are markedly different that INTs today. How the game has changed in many many ways.

    Then come talk to me.

    Or rather don't. Just try to understand it.

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  8. Footballgod214

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    Willie Joe and Johhny Football have had identical careers up to this point. Not sure if Willie Joe snorted coke and put it on facebook though. lol
     
  9. Geno007

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    It happens sometimes. That dude really has issues.
     
  10. NCJetsfan

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    Perhaps saying that he has been "awful" is a bit of hyperbole, but he hasn't been just inconsistent, but maddeningly inconsistent, and I think he has one of, if not THE worst QB rating in the NFL during that time. If so, how would you describe that level of performance. "Inconsistent" isn't totally accurate.

    In spite of that, he has shown talent and promise/potential. You have fair, rational, valid points when you say that he was raw, needed time to develop, was thrust into the starting lineup too soon, and didn't have any weapons around him. I agree that it's too soon to bury him. I agree with Bowles that it's Geno's job to lose. Based on his talent and youth, and the fact that we know that at best, Fitz is only a short term stopgap, it's in the Jets' best interests to give him every opportunity to succeed. Jets fans are too impatient. QBs take time to develop. I was reminded of that in reading the comments in the articles that list the top all time QBs. Phil Simms, Kurt Warner, and several others took 3-5 years (or longer) to develop into quality NFL QBs. Some people are late bloomers, aren't in the right system, or get poor coaching.

    Whatever, I hope he succeeds because that's what's best for the Jets, but I'm not sure how long Bowles will stick with him if he struggles out of the gate. For that matter, Fitz could beat him out in TC. Even if he does, I don't think that means the Jets have given up on him. The best thing in the world for Geno might be to sit and watch for a season, face no pressure, and have a chance to continue to work on developing his game free of the week-to-week pressure and responsibilities for getting ready to play games.
     
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  11. pclfan

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    In your case you have an avatar with rappers. He doesn't like that.
     
  12. Geno007

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    That his problem not mine. I've notice he thinks everybody should have his opinion on everything. That dude needs to be laying on a couch telling his problems to someone.
     
  13. spinjani

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    I know you are joking, but for the youngsters, the real comparison football-wise is Andrew Luck. Except Namath had personality and actually won something.
     
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    I was joking and referring to the rumor that Namath drank and partied away his early years
     
  15. spinjani

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    I know what you mean, the post was more geared towards the fact that he has been compared to people that shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as him (not by you), on the basis of stats.

    The saying is that there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

    He absolutely deserves to be in the hall of fame.

    Re his partying: I don't think it was much of a rumor actually- in that aspect Johnny pales in comparison too. I remember reading about him getting pulled over after drunk driving and the cops drove him home and practically tucked him in at least one, if not many, Saturday nights before a game.
     
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    Go ask somebody else, I'm not here to school you. Past experience shows you have a comprehension problem.
     
  17. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    This is one of the most absurd posts I have read in a thread full of absurdity.
     
  18. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    It was during the America's game series on the 1968 Jets. And it was one man's opinion.
     
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  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    you are too wrapped up in yards, points are what matters. we weren't even top 2 in pts scored the year he threw for 4000 yds(and almost 30 INTs).

    Otto Graham, layne and those guys played a different brand of football. you get on people and bash them for comparing players of today to Namath(which I have never done) and you are going to compare Layne, Graham, etc... to Joe?

    doesn't matter when Staubach and Namath had those seasons, the poster said as his attempts wqent up so did his INTs. a posted you lauded, that clearly wasn't true. and those early seasons in Joe's career were 2 of his best in his career. he peaked around year 3-4.

    Exciting? absolutely, Joe was an exciting player. we were exciting w/ Favre in 2008 but Favre cost us a great chance at a rare div title too. I like excitement, I prefer wins.



    unfortunately this thread has dissolved into another bashing and crowing session. at least I wasn't involved this time.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he kept the jets in the game or the D kept the Jets in the game despite him throwing 6 pics w/ 2 for TDs? yep, Namath throws 6 INts, 2 for Tds and was the chief reason why the Jets were in the game at the end. You just can't make this stuff up. the Jets D allowed 7 pts that day, if they allow 10 the Jets lose. Houston scored 28.

    you said that stuff doesn't happen today, I gave an example. we had 6 picks that day and lost in OT.

    who said Tittle wasn't a top QB? I said he didn't play there long and he didn't. he shouldn't be ahead of Eli or Simms in Giants history no matter how great that brief window was. he didn't even win a championship w/ the Giants. In the 3 championship games he played in he led his offense to ZERO points in 2 of them and just 10 in the 3rd.

    he was 32-13-3 as NYG starting QB not 33-8-1. Still a great record but just correcting some misinformation.
     

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