The OFFICIAL UNC Scandal Thread

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  1. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    Dated June 4:

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ons-responses-and-a-timeline-on-whats-to-come

    The University of North Carolina revealed on Thursday the NCAA's Notice of Allegations (NOA) against the school. It's a big public step forward in what has become the most notorious academic fraud case in the history of the NCAA. There are five allegations, four of them of the harshest order: Level I.

    The 59-page Notice of Allegations is embedded at the bottom of this story.

    Labeling North Carolina's era-spanning academic impropriety as a Level I "Severe Breach of Conduct," the NCAA's report references 18 years of "unchecked" coursework in the African and Afro-American (AFAM) Studies department at the crux of its investigation.

    Officially, though, the NCAA's allegations date back to 2002 and go through 2011. That 18-year mark is a reference to the groundbreaking Wainstrein Report, which was released in 2014 and somewhat in coordination with the NCAA's decision to re-open its case against UNC last June.

    The UNC case is a broad one, tough to interpret and now, somehow, even tougher to predict an outcome on. What we didn't see much of in the NOA: Sweeping, harsh, definitive allegations against current or former staff members with the UNC football or men's basketball team, the two high-profile programs who've had athletes go on the record in the past and claim they were aided in cheating in order to attain better grades.

    Instead, the NOA looks at the academic side, the advisers who helped steer athletes and created a lack of institutional control. Here's the essentials of what you need to know, the timeline still to come and what we're still waiting to have cleared up.

    1. The big aspect of this re-opened investigation was for the NCAA to link academic advantages to student-athletes. The AFAM's courses were available to everyone -- but now we see through the NCAA's investigation that players were specifically given advantages to gaining entry into those classes, essentially helping their chances of keeping their grades good and remaining eligible to play.

    That's the biggie, and it's why the NCAA nailed UNC with a lack-of-institutional-control allegation. The NCAA alleges that from the fall of 2002 through the spring of 2011, academic counselors "leveraged their relationships" with UNC faculty to benefit athletes. This nefarious behavior stemmed from the African and Afro-American Studies department.

    In short: the NCAA accuses UNC of enabling its AFAM department as being an easy way to stopgap poor academic performance and/or keep athletes eligible to play through the guise of phony lecture courses and paper classes that required no attendance and/or work.

    2. The information supplied by the NCAA is undeniable, wide-ranging and almost entirely on UNC's academic advisers and counselors -- not the players or the coaches. The NCAA supplied 252 emails and/or correspondence spanning a number of sports in support of its first allegation alone. In total, its "exhibits" portion of the NOA details 732 pages and 325 exhibits/emails/correspondence that build its case.

    The surprising part: men's hoops (27 references) and football (33) are not the primary targets. Women's basketball is the biggest violator. And Roy Williams is mentioned just once, in reference to an interview he gave to the NCAA. Williams has maintained his ignorance to this issue throughout.

    3. The name we know now for sure that wasn't prominently discussed before: Jan Boxill. She was the chair of the faculty for UNC's Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes (ASPSA). She also was the director for the school's Parr Center for Ethics. And she's at the center of the women's basketball allegations, which take up most of the NOA and certainly indicate that women's hoops, not football or men's basketball, will be subject to the worst of the punishments down the road. (The soccer and baseball teams are also mentioned in the report.)

    Boxill's role became clear when the Wainstein Report came out, but the NCAA makes no mistake that it's her inclusion and emails that paint the ugliest and perhaps dirtiest parts of the scandal.

    "The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that went unchecked for 18 years," the NCAA's report states. "This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball.

    "Although the general student body also had access to the anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses, student-athletes received preferential access to these anomalous courses, enrolled in these anomalous courses at a disproportionate rate to that of the general student body and received other impermissible benefits not available to the general student body in connection with these courses."

    Julius Nyang'oro, the former chief of the AFAM and his former student services manager, Deborah Crowder, both refused (eight times between them) to meet and interview with the NCAA and UNC. These refusals boosted the NCAA's case against UNC in light of compounding evidence against Nyang'oro and Crowder, the two most notorious names with the case.

    4. Know that, while this is a big headline in the here and now, this process really still has a long way to go. A case of this magnitude, which details fraud in many ways and in many departments, is tough to sift out in terms of punishment. So here's the timeline going forward:

    -- UNC has a 90-day window from May 22, meaning it has until Aug. 20 (unless the university files for an extension, which is uncommon) to formally respond to the NCAA's allegations. It can opt to dispute any, or none, of them. UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham said on a conference call Thursday afternoon he expects the school to file its response in August.

    -- After UNC's response is received by the NCAA, the NCAA's enforcement staff will have 60 days to hold a "prehearing conference" with UNC and determine if any more violations need to be considered before moving to the next stage.

    -- From there, the case moves on to the infractions-hearing portion, perhaps the most vital part, because it's the only time the NCAA and members from the University of North Carolina will meet face to face to discuss and debate the allegations -- behind closed doors.

    5. In terms of punishment, it's a total guessing game at this point. The lack of mentions for men's basketball and football is certainly surprising. Remember, there is a new penalty structure, voted into effect by the NCAA last year, but in this case, it will not be applied. UNC will basically be given the better of two fates -- whenever everything has been finally hashed out, debated to death, and settled.

    The timeline on that? It's still undetermined. The NOA's lack of mentions, specifically, for men's basketball and football don't absolve those programs. No way. Again, we're talking about four major allegations of Level I violations. Still, this was the NCAA's formal submission to UNC, and for the most part it went on what it could -- and it was heavily on the side of the former counselors, staff and advisers.

    So, as the case drags on, it's looking more likely that UNC's forthcoming season on the men's basketball court, which has hopes of a Final Four-caliber team, could be clouded -- but not affected -- by this case.

    Cunningham said he told his coaches the school is about halfway done with this saga. Given that it first began four years ago, and then started once more nearly a year ago, that indicates we won't have a final ruling on which programs will be hit in what ways until next spring at the earliest.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    so more than half the students in the classes were regular students. thanks.

    by the way, I do not believe your #s are correct.


    http://coachingthemind.blogspot.com/2015/06/uncs-lack-of-institutional-control-not.html?m=1
     
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  4. BeastBeach

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    Lol this guy just doesn't get it. Half the class is athletes. Nope nothing fishy there!
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't get it, I guess I should read all the misinformed headlines to "get it" like the rest of you guys.

    Please tell me again what the men's basketball team did that is worthy of SU like punishment?
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    yes you are
     
  8. asbcheeks

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    From the NOA, under Allegation No 5 regarding Lack of Institutional Control, which is described as a Level 1 "severe breach of conduct" (http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NCAA-NOA.pdf):

    "The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball."

    See pages 48-99 for the full text of Allegation 5.

    This allegation has the most direct reference to MBB, but it is against the institution as a whole, rather than MBB specifically. But for Junc (or anyone) to take some sort of confidence from this, and state unequivocally that MBB will not be touched, despite the language of this allegation and the dozens of MBB references in the hundreds of pages of accompanying exhibits, is either being intentionally naïve or just completely dishonest.

    I believe there are a wide range of outcomes on the table for the NCAA, and NO ONE knows until after UNC responds to the NOA and the Committee of Infractions convenes where they will land, especially given how unpredictable the NCAA is generally. It's certainly possible that they will just nail the University with a huge fine and make WBB the sacrificial lamb, but save MBB from any scholarship losses / postseason bans / vacated wins / vacated banners, given UNC's cash cow status and its past reputation as the gold standard for student athletics. But that doesn't seem likely to me given the NCAA's specific reference to eligibility benefits for MBB in this allegation. We'll know soon enough, but until then it would be helpful not to speak in absolutes since no one knows for sure at this stage.

    Speaking of which, it's pretty sad that Roy and Fedora are telling impressionable young recruits that all is ok when there is NO POSSIBLE WAY they can know that right now. UNC has not even responded to the NOA yet, and the COI won't be meeting for several months. Oh right, "our lawyers are telling us" that. Nice built in scapegoat if/when the NCAA drops the hammer.
     
  9. The Waterboy

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    Once again, the fact that more than half the students were not regular students is really not a good indicator when you look at how many athletes there are compared to the whole student body, of course you knew all that when you posted the silly statistic "more than half the students in the classes were regular students".

    You then go on to tell me you think my numbers are incorrect without stating which numbers nor stating what you believe are the correct numbers.

    Not sure how the article you linked is relevant to what I posted or what you replied with. You can reply or not, as usual your posts are your own personal circle jerk and I won't bother further..
     
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    where are the specifics? that is a general statement. if the men's team was doing that then the specifics would be in there. this is like the sociology program at duke.

    I didn't say they wouldn't be touched, they may get some sanctions but banners are clearly not coming down, nothing is happening to Roy, games will not be forfeited. there was an issue at the University, this was not a scheme to keep players eligible.

    but it's ok for the opposing coaches to use negative recruit based on these allegations? Carolina has been hit hard the last few years for doing nothing wrong as it pertained to men's basketball yet they have lost out on recruits b/c of it. Roy wasn't telling anyone that until recently so clearly he has more info, he doesn't lie to recruits.

    you want to talk about banners coming down investigate the sociology program at duke, take down that '10 banner w/ ineligible lance Thomas, the '99 FF banner should have already been removed w/ the Maggette stuff.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    more than half were regular students, more than half were non athletes. read that blog, that man is well informed and has destroyed the dan kane's, mary Willingham's and jay smith's of the world.
     
  12. BrowningNagle

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    10 of the 15 players on their 2005 National Championship basketball team were African American Studies majors
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    and your point?
     
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    I was just stating a fact.
     
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    cool, now relate it to the issue at hand. did 10 guys remain eligible based on not attending classes? if you or anyone else can prove it then take the banner down.
     
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    Those 10 scholars are probably pretty upset now with the Univ. that their degree program lost its accreditation
     
  17. nyjunc

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    except they didn't lose accreditation.
     
  18. asbcheeks

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    The NCAA disagrees with you and clearly states as much in Allegation 5 of the NOA.

    If "Roy doesn't lie to recruits" is enough to give you comfort about what's in store for MBB, more power to you. We can revisit after the COI meets.
     
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    looking forward to it.

    there is nothing specific in the NOI.
     
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    Lol I can't imagine being that delusional. I mean I would just be like hey we're dirty but all the big programs are. But to flat out deny reality is just sad as a human
     

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