Yes...Another Geno story

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  1. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    I'm hoping he steps up but curb your enthusiasm a little.
     
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  2. FlaJet

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    You really think Sanchez' 2014 number are unobtainable by Geno in his 6th season?!?

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    I for one don't think Geno will be around for 6 seasons. At least not on this team. Of course this is JMO..
     
  3. Innocenti

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    You're probably right. I think Sanchez only stayed as long as he did because of his contract. And my original post alluded to that fact. His replacement might be on the team already (Fitzpatrick).
     
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  4. mgjetman22

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    You might want to go withdraw all your money out of the bank and head to Vegas and drop it all on the Jets to win the SB because this guy you speak of is gonna make you a rich rich man. His word is worth gold.
    I mean look how good he looked in meaningless games.
     
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  5. Big Blocker

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    On this comparison between Sanchez and Smith, it needs to be said that both of them sucked. Picking between them is like getting to choose whether you die of cancer or alzheimers.

    But in fairness to those who see some purpose in arguing Sanchez was better (that does not include me, ftr), you have to include in the discussion the variable of who the OC was.

    Now especially around here, over time the OC, whoever he is, is one of if not the least popular person associated with the team. And during his tenure I had to in effect feel forced to defend Schotty. Not because I thought he was a good OC, but because people blamed ALL the problems on him, at the time excusing not only Sanchez but Ryan. I also pointed out there did not at the time seem to be any better replacements available.

    And of course there was also the Sparano Interlude, truly and fairly perceived as an awful time for the team.

    But I felt at the time and still feel that Marty was an upgrade, not only over Sparano but also Schotty. I felt he had done a very good job with the Eagles, particularly helping Vick get back into the NFL and come up with a better and more mature style of play after Atlanta and his two years off. Of course no doubt some, even alot, of that had to do with Reid, one of the better HC's in the NFL, imo. But it was also true that Reid hired and kept Marty. Now the fact that Andy did not take Marty to KC is an angle on this analysis (don't know why, ftr), to be sure, but still I felt Marty was an upgrade over Schotty when he was hired by Ryan.

    I still think that. Some here soured on Marty, but imo that was inevitable, and Marty did trouble me by being a party to the conspiracy to play Smith over Vick. That doesn't lower his stock enough, imo, to put him on Schotty's level.

    So in short I think Sanchez had a worse OC to deal with when he was here. I think that should be part of the analysis comparing the two.
     
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  6. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I don't think he should. The stars are aligned! IT'S THE YEAR OF THE GENO! Ain't no one stopping us now.
     
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  7. Big Blocker

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    At some point I learned one of the great basic life principles is to hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. Your post offends this basic principle.
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    You can't stop the Year of the Geno. It overrides basic principle. This is Astronomy, the stars my brother, are aligned. Nothing we can do to stop it.
     
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  9. Walt White

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    Can we call it something else. The team is too good to be giving GeNo any kind of headline... even if he does okay

    In China it's The Year Of The Goat.... :eek:
     
  10. westiedog1

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    For me this sums up the 2014 season, the mistake of not having Vick as the starter. The Jets were 8-8 in 2013 despite Geno, not because of him. Most of his mistakes were mental and that should have been enough of a red flag to give the ball to Vick, a proven QB commodity, and have Geno sit out a year or two. It made no sense to bring in a dynamic player like Vick to be a backup. The Jets finished 6th defensively in total yds. allowed in 2014. That should have been good enough for a playoff spot, if the offense had anywhere near an average performance. Yes, people can point out that Vick had his own issues with turnovers, but the difference is that Vick had the ability to make up for a mistake in one play, Geno does not.

    Going forward, if Geno is the QB, which he appears he will be, he's got to show that he has grasped game management, particularly in the redzone, not throwing picks, not mishandling snaps and not fumbling. Also, not being sacked taking the team out of FG range. He's going to make mistakes, all QB's do, but he's got to do a better job of understanding game situations and when you can't afford to make mistakes. Bowles doesn't get off the hook either. He's got to cut down drive killing penalties, personnel confusion, and wasted timeouts.
     
  11. 101GangGreen101

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    Well if he doesn't do well, he will surely be the scapegoat!
     
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  12. Big Blocker

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    Smith Fans denigrate Fitzpatrick as the way to go at Qb, but the more I think about it, based on objetive evidence, I am increasingly uncomfortable with the apparent intention to start Smith, and likely to keep him in there through several games in the regular season.

    Ftr I totally understand the argument that the CS wants to see whether Smith can be an adequate performer, especially in working with Gailey and an offense supposedly tailored to his skills. But I do not think that overcomes the need to put the best team on the field and go for a playoff spot. Assuming Fitz will be physically ready on Opening Day, he should start, and I think quite obviously so despite the chance to see what Smith can do.

    It would be very unfortunate if this team missed hte playoffs due to one or two early season losses that Smith shared the blame for and Fitz might not have if he had played.
     
  13. JStokes

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    Concur. The best player should play regardless of long term prospects.

    If Fitz is the better QB, he should play. If Geno is the better QB, he should play.

    I know who I'd put my money on.

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  14. Big Blocker

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    Yes. THe only thing that could legitimately alter that is if Fitz is still hurt. But he should be healthy by Opening Day.
     
  15. JStokes

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    Of course--that goes without saying. If Fitz can't go, he's not going to be able to beat out Geno in any case.

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  16. wGENOvFANu

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    I think you and a lot of other Jets fans are in the wrong profession. You should take up coaching since you know for certain that a player is better than the other without working with either of them hands on.

    This coaching staff doesn't really have ties to anyone on the team, so they will start any player that gives them the best chance to win. As of right now, they think that is Geno at the QB position. That is based off of what they have seen in the past on film and what they've seen from him during practice.

    Geno might not turn the corner this year...who knows, but at this point things are definitely looking up. It is only his third year and his first with a decent OC and WR corp. Without injuries, I'd say the forecast is mostly sunny instead of partly cloudy.
     
  17. JetLifeLo

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    i only stated facts to be fair though..
     
  18. FlaJet

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  19. Walt White

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    If he doesn't do well he's history :)
     
  20. Big Cat

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    Huh? He improved in every major stat category, and threw 1 more touchdown in 3 less games. I'm not going to take a side in the Mark/Geno 1st 2 seasons debate, but there's no regression in Geno's stat line other than the win column, which would be laughable to cite as his fault.
     

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