Is there a question in the mess above? Why not post it in your native language so someone can translate for you?
The Most Iconic Jets QB: Joe Namath (not even close) The best statistical Jets franchise QB: Ken O'brien
please stop w/ the nonsense. just stick to the discussion. how on earth are their careers comparable? Namath was a huge name BEFORE he ever stepped on an AFL field, both leagues desperately wanted him, he was paid the largest amount at the time to sign w/ the Jets. Warner couldn't get into the NFL. Namath started as a 22 year old rookie, Warner was cut multiple times and didn't start until another QB went down and he was 28 years old. Kurt had to play in the ARENA League. you want to say they both had injuries to deal w/? ok, a slight similarity there except Kurt was able to get healthy again and again became a top QB while Joe was a top QB for a few brief years early in his career. Kurt also led 3 teams to the SB, Joe led one team and never got close again. Joe's career from 1970-1977 was a complete wasteland(minus 1972) but Joe never recovered, Kurt did. Kurt took two of the worst franchises in the league to SBs. The Cardinals had ONE playoff win in their history(they are the oldest team) pre-Kurt and have zero playoff wins post Kurt. In SL they were as bad as could be and have been awful post Kurt. Heaping praise on Kurt does not mean putting down Joe. Joe is an all time great talent that had his career robbed by injuries but durability counts. He rightfully made the Hall mostly based on what he has meant to the game and there are few, if any, players that have been more important to the history of the game.
Joe in his career on turf: 1968: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/196810200oti.htm at Houston: 12-27, 145 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs 1969: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/196912060oti.htm at Houston: 6-16, 62 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INTs 1971: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197112040dal.htm at Dallas: 1-5, 20 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT. 1972: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197210010oti.htm at Houston: 18-38, 301 yds, 2 TDs, 2 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197210150nwe.htm at NE: 5-8, 63 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197211190mia.htm at Miami: 14-23, 175 yds, 2 TDs, 2 INTs 1973: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197311180cin.htm at Cincy: 6-13, 98 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INT 1974: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197409150kan.htm at KC: 14-30, 210, 2 TDs, 4 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197409220chi.htm at Chi: 16-23, 257, 1 TD, 0 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197409290buf.htm at Buf: 2-18, 33, 0 TDs, 3 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197410070mia.htm at Mia: 17-39, 290, 2 TDs, 3 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197411170nwe.htm at NE: 8-20, 112, 2 TDs, 2 INTs 1975: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197509210buf.htm at Buf: 14-36, 173, 2 TDs, 4 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197509280kan.htm at KC: 7-14, 126, 1 TD, 2 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197511090mia.htm at Mia: 11-28, 140, 1 TD, 2 INTs http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197512070nwe.htm at NE: 14-18, 160, 0, 0 1976: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197610030sfo.htm at SF: 8-17, 70, 0, 0 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197610180nwe.htm at NE: 16-27, 135, 1 TD, 1 INT 1977: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197710100chi.htm at Chi: 16-40, 203, 0 TDs, 4 INTs totals: 205 completions, 440 attempts, 47%(career comp % is 50) 2773 yds, 6.3 YPA(career 7.4) 19 TDs, 1 TD every 23.1 pass attempts(career 21.7) 32 INTs, 1 INT every 13.8 pass attempts(career 17.1) he had limited experience on turf but clearly he didn't play his best games on turf and his knees on turf would have been even worse so luckily for him he played most of his career on grass.
Yeah I'm not talking about early turf, that stuff was brutal-carpet covering concrete. Today's cushy turf, chewed up cushiony rubber underneath with more forgiving fibers. Couple that with today's arthroscopic knee surgery and we're talking about a completely enhanced career, even better than his already HOF career. Yeah, no one is talking about him playing on the brutal stuff from back in the 70s. _
Ok your intilted to your opinion. I think it a little funny there articles out saying why Joe should or should not be in the HOF.
As a 20 something Jet fan, I've heard the stories from my father, who was 17 at the time the Jets won Super Bowl III about Joe Willie. I get the fact he had the swagger, guranteeing the Super Bowl win, which at the time only 2 Super Bowls had been played, so I'd figured of course they'd just give the guy his entry in the hall of fame. What I didn't know, and thanks for some posters here for clarifying, that his interception #s were typical of a passing QB and that shouldn't be a detriment when considering his career.
Joe threw 47 more INTs than TDs HOF QBs from that era(that played in 60s and 70s): Namath: -47 Unitas: +37 Jurgensen: +66 Staubach: +44 Tarkenton: +76 Dawson: +56 Griese: +20 It was a very different game, you cannot compare stats of players from that era to guys of the 80s/90s/0s and especially now but against his peers he still threw a lot more INTs than TDs.
Watch some of the games on the grainy old film you can find on Youtube and it's easy to see why Namath was great. He had a quick release and a strong arm and he threw without hesitation. You'll also get to see the things that destroyed his productivity in mid-career. QB's used to get tossed like rag dolls and the knees were an often targeted area when that wasn't happening. Watching 1960's NFL and AFL football is a reminder of how bloody the sport used to be. People would have been killed on the field if they were the same size they are now.
Joe was as physically gifted as any QB that has ever played this game but last I checked all the QBs of that era played under the same rules and durability counts. he was not durability, injuries ruined his career but that's life in pro football.
http://www.footballperspective.com/joe-namath-has-become-footballs-most-misunderstood-quarterback/ I don't think you can use basic statistics like completion % or even to an extent interceptions to evaluate Joe Namath as a HOF QB. He was easily one of the more gifted throwers in the history of the game, put up some gaudy stats as a vertical passer, and won one of the biggest games in NFL history [even if he was game managing it - he deserves credit for the AFCCG win against the Raiders along with Maynard]. He's HOF worthy, no doubt.
Great article. Yeah, I don't think folks dumping on Namath understand what the league was like back then--and what Namath was doing while throwing INTs and for a lower completion %--he was throwing the ball downfield which results in a lower completion % and higher INT totals. This is a great quote: Even among his contemporaries, Namath’s completion percentage wasn’t very good. But he also was #1 in both sack rate and yards per completion, an incredibly difficult feat to pull off. Thanks to Namath’s incredibly fast release and his big arm, the Jets designed a vertical offense that was effective at moving the ball down the field. In the most basic form of passing measurement, Net Yards per Attempt, Namath ranked 1st by half a yard per attempt. In ANY/A, which includes a penalty for interceptions and a bonus for touchdowns, Namath falls just 0.01 ANY/A out of second place. _
maybe if he took a few sacks instead of throwing INTs we would have won more games? In 1967 we missed out on the div title by a game. at one point we were 7-2-1, the next 3 games we went 0-3 and he threw NINE INTs. the final week w/ Houston having clinched the division the day before he threw 4 TDs and 0 INTs. also, we tied Houston 28-28 in a game Joe threw 1 TD and SIX INTs(including TWO for TDs). Had we won that game and everything plays out the same we win the division but man could he accumulate yardage!
I think Namath could've been a better leader earlier in his career, no one seemed to like Namath much on the team especially Gerry Philbin. It took Namath a little while to realize, he was hurting the team with his interceptions, but he cleaned that act up in 1969. Whatever he did in the past, the mistakes he made - he made up for by helping the Jets win their only SB.
he should always be appreciated for that and what he did for the game of pro football but w/ that we don't have to pretend he was one of the greatest to ever play the game. one of the greatest talents w/o a doubt but his body wouldn't cooperate.
wait but that era all QB threw a lot of picks. I guess u just proved that wrong. Plus people say his OL wasn't very good. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you have to have good OL when throwing the deep ball in any era?
