Yeah I think he did back away from his comments. But not Marshall Faulk--he will forever be pissed at that cheating franchise. _
If Vermeil stayed another year the story might be different too. Martz doesn't go down as a great HC for sure. And that Pat game killed them. Vermeil really wanted Trent Green in the beginning, but his injury opened the door for Warner and Martz' O. I remember Vermeil start to cry at his presser when he talked about Trent Green going down It's too bad Vermeil didn't stay another year, and he regretted leaving when, and why, he did.
Yup- I remember that--felt really bad for Green but man when Warner started to play lights out--that was fun to watch. Still, if the Pats don't cheat in that SB, he gets a ring and skates into Canton. And Brady has one less faux championship. _
I thought so with Martz. But you're right; I know, Faulk is adamant, and always will be, about that game.
I'd be pissed too. It's a freaking Super Bowl Championship--can you imagine if WE got cheated out of a SB like that? _
Warner was being a good Christian with these comments--that's as far as he could go but it';s clear he thinks he was cheated. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...atriots-wonders-if-new-england-cheated-012815 Warner still wonders if Patriots cheated Rams out of Super Bowl XXXVI It’s been 13 years, but Kurt Warner remains suspicious about whether he was cheated out of another Super Bowl title. Literally. Warner’s St. Louis Rams (which finished 14-2 in the regular season) were knocked off by the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVI, a win that kick-started New England’s dynasty. It also was a win that eventually came with some controversy after allegations of the Patriots video-taping the Rams’ walk-through surfaced. Now, with Deflategate gripping the football world leading up to another Patriots Super Bowl appearance against the Seahawks, Warner still wonders if New England’s win in 2002 was completely legitimate. “I don’t want to believe that there was anything outside of his team beat our team,” Warner told the New York Daily News on Tuesday at Super Bowl Media Day in Phoenix. “That’s what I want to believe. Yeah, there’s a sliver of a doubt. ... Was there any advantage they gained in any game? “Not just our Super Bowl game, but maybe a game before that to get to the Super Bowl. All those things enter your mind. It’s not because I’m bitter. It’s not because I say they cheated, because I have no idea.” Warner was very careful not to come out and accuse the Patriots of being cheaters, but that’s about all he neglected to do. “Since that scandal, I don’t know if they’ve won a Super Bowl,” Warner added, via the Daily News. “So you sit back and go, ‘Well, was it because of any advantage they got?’ I think it’s unfortunate. Unfortunate for him (Patriots QB Tom Brady). Unfortunate for our league. Unfortunate for historians who love the game and love great coaches. Because we don’t know.” Ever the diplomat, Warner then gave his support for Patriots coach Bill Belichick: “Regardless of all that, he’ll still be considered as one of the best coaches to ever coach the game of football.” Warner tried to cover his tracks on the fly in a Wednesday radio interview with WEEI. “We should give them the benefit of the doubt in every situation,” Warner said. “But I think too often because of what happened before, you step back and you go, ‘Well, could it be something else?’ ” This isn’t the first time Warner has voiced these sorts of concerns. He essentially said the same things in 2012, right down to being sure not to directly accuse the Patriots. Regardless, Warner’s comments are innocent compared to those of former Rams running back Marshall Faulk. He said in 2013 that he’ll never get over being cheated out of the Super Bowl.” _
I'm thinking that Warner may very well get votes because he's such an excellent character guy, and part of the media now, and such a gracious man. Politics is involved regrettably sometimes
Yeah but his wife was a tad cooky. And such a great story with her develop,mentally challenged kids and him taking on that challenge--on top of being a stock boy throwing toilet paper rolls as footballs- and the Hall of Fame loves great stories. _
Wow, you're right. I remember now seeing Warner asked about it and you could tell in his demeanor how he truly felt, and that the man didn't want to not be truthful.
It would be pretty tough not knowing especially when all this comes up... I think Some day Bellichick's legacy will be ruined, maybe ten years from now maybe after that idk but eventually there will somehow be proof
It's interesting, this football writer has Namath at 22 and Warner at 32 all time. I think they are closer based upon what Warner did in his third chapter but it's hard to argue with his reasoning why Namath was the better QB. Namath for sure deserves his spot in the HOF based upon his play and the story is secondary. Warner deserves his spot based upon his 2 chapters and his story doesn't hurt. _
Imagine what he might have done with modern arthroscopic surgery. I remember in 76 Namath walking off the field at Shea after he came off the bench to beat the Bills for the first win of the season (and the Lou Holtz "era"). "Walking" is actually a gross overstatement. We was hobbling like an elderly grandmother. I literally could not believe that was the same guy I saw on the field. A professional athlete. And that was when he was totally shot shell of himself. Remember, his knees were already ruined when he was a rookie.
And so it starts. Again. Warner and Namath are actually somewhat comparable. They both were considered the best QB in pro football for a few years early in their careers and both had their careers impacted by injuries and seasons on bad teams. Namath actually had more good seasons where he was at the top of the league as a QB. Warner's career from 02-07 was a complete waste land. It is just absurd for you to continue to argue that Namath was not an all-time great and at the same time to argue that Warner was.
Great point. I think I read in Life Magazine (lol, back in the early 70s) he first hurt his one knee playing baseball. He was a phenomenal athlete. Could run like the wind until his injuries. But yeah, he played his entire NFL career on shot knees. I remember reading the articles and seeing the pics of one of his surgeries- it was the cut it open and patch it up type surgery back then. Had he had a little scope and some rehab like the modern day, you just never know what such a gifted and talented thrower and QB could have done. Like Gayle Sayers. Would have broken all the records that guy was so talented. _
You and others say it not about stats? Why players get into the HOF. To be honest Namath bought fans to the AFL/NFL not because of what he did on the field but for the most part what he did off it. Should Namath get a lot of credit for SB 3 win yes he should IMO it shouldn't put him in the HOF.
I agree. A real grass football field rather than the crap he played on at Shea probably would have helped too.
I'm not so sure about that. Weren't there a lot of knee and/or ankle injuries caused by early turf? Plus, there was concrete underneath it, so his knees would have had a lot more stress and shock on them. For certain, I think he would have been better off playing on a real grass field instead of that crap at Shea. He probably would have been better off if he had stayed away from the booze and broads too.
