But it does give us an insight into the basic philosophy of the position coach in question. And I share NCJetsfan's concerns on that issue.
Honestly, I think it comes down to the player, some guys can handle it others can't, most of the receivers that don't come from a run heavy college program already know how to read defenses, in particular the safeties. Knowing what to do in every situation will not happen in year 1, but experimenting with Smith during TC and preseason will be a good gauge for the CS as to how to expand his role. I would be concerned if Dorrel was very rigid in his use of smith, like learn it all or don't expect to see much playing time. There is no need to worry, I think Smith will learn the system better than expected, and by year 2 will be farther along than we expected. He excelled at one thing in college because it's the only thing that was asked of him, but he still had to know the plays that were being called, I highly doubt he was just told to run a go route like it was a parking lot football game.
Right now apparently, he is being asked to do things new, learn new routes. They are teaching him all aspects of the WR position. Right now, it maybe best to give him the crash course on being a wide receiver in the NFL, go through the basics and everything else. Training camp, they need to take his skill-sets and integrate it into the offense in live action. When TC comes, they will want to integrate him into the offense, so look for the CS too put him in those spots. I think he will be OK - he won't be a stud from day 1, but I think he will come along as the season progresses. If Geno can get him the ball deep, then I think he can have a good year. Big IF
That's quite a long way of saying something. My first problem with the coaching staff is that Chan Gailey was hired.
Long? Whatever. Sorry your attention span is so short. I tried to be clear with what my concerns were, because I knew that some would misunderstand/misconstrue my intent. As it is, a number of people still totally missed the point.
I agree with the coaching staff. we didnt draft him in the second round to line up at the X and run 9 routes all game. we could have done that with chaz schillens. we ahve to excellent veteran wideouts and a guy who has moved all over in kerley. If smith is going to see snaps he si going to have to work hard to run the whole tree and line up all over. im sure the jets wont put him in positions to fail, but he simply wont see many snaps if he is limited to one position and 3 routes
yea this is how i see it. they want to get smith on the field.... by doing this it will give them more ways to get him snaps.
This will only serve the young WRs well going forward.Yes it is the "hard" way..and may cause some early struggles..but for the young WR(s) who step up & make this team it will make them a much more versatile, valuable commodity. From a coaching perspective it also allows for deeper player evaluation..maybe you stumble onto a route/alignment or 2 that a guy really excels at worthy of game day or further coaching points.
Tbh I think it's just a way the CS can get through to a rookie that his perpetration in the offseason is crucial to success. Throw the book at him in OTAs to get him ready for training camp where his role will be more detailed.
No, it won't. It is not only the "hard way" it is the wrong way pedagogically speaking. It will slow their development and readiness to play. Teaching them in a rational, progressive manner still makes them versatile and more valuable, they are just more valuable sooner and able to contribute sooner. It doesn't allow for any deeper player evaluation and you don't learn anything that you wouldn't otherwise learn. It's just the wrong way to go about teaching them. Period.
This whole thread is wrong and your theory on the right and wrong way to teach football players the playbook just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. This isn't a quarterback we're talking about this is a wide receiver. You don't give him only the plays with double moves and go routes and ever expect him to be a good rounded NFL receiver. Just because you give him the entire playbook doesn't mean you force him into doing all of those things, it means you force him into at least knowing all these things. It's called preparation and he needs to know what's expected of an NFL calibre player. By the way you're a hypocritical after whining like a baby about me calling you ignorant then doing the same thing to 101. You're also a dolt for thinking that because an NFL coach has higher expectations for a player than knowing two route combinations he's going about it the wrong way. So nonsensical it's unbelievable.
Yeah, NC got a little TOO aggressive there - I don't really get why. All coaches do the same thing our CS is doing now, they don't teach them the bare minimum. I came here to make a comment and the dude goes crazy ... this is why, I didn't want Junc suspended because people here like to make fun of others, but can't take the heat when it's directed at them. Anyway ... Like you said - you have to find out what you have in your rookies - find out the strengths and weaknesses. You may discover something about a player (such as a receiver running a route REALLY well in practice; and you never saw him do so on tape in college) that you never knew before. You can now incorporate that into the offense early on. No way should Devin Smith only know 2 freaking routes prior to the start of the NFL season, he needs to expand on the route tree - I think this is what NC is trying to say, which IMO is something that should not happen; don't baby these players.
Really? You're going to use my post to make some personal attack on me about my attention span? BTW, I have a great attention span. BRB, I just saw a moth flying around. Oh now he stopped flying. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah Devin Smith from Oklahoma State. He'll make a fine a addition to the coaching staff. In all seriousness, I'm more concerned about Chan Gailey being the offensive coordinator. He did a bang up job in Buffalo (sarcasm) as well as at a lot of other places. As far as Devin Smith is concerned, his role will be limited this season. So even if the coaching staff is throwing a lot of stuff at him, he will only be asked to do what the coaching staff knows that he is able to do. Did Ohio St run a pro-style offense last season? I'm not sure because I don't live in the USA right now and thus I don't get to watch them anymore. If they do then the adjustment wouldn't be that much for him.
Agree. I think it's as simple as that. And too much is being read into what an assistant coach said to a writer looking to make a name for himself. That writer comes up with a lot bs imo. I hope TB limits what his assistants say to these guys
It wasn't a personal attack. It was a simple comment. It was not a "long" post. I knew that not everyone would have read the article, and I included enough to show the relevant comments that Dorrell had made and then took 3-4 paragraphs to explain why. If that is "long" to you, then you DO have a short attention span. No criticism, just fact. A lot of people have short attention spans today for a number of reasons, some of which the individual himself or herself cannot help. Sites like this where many posts are only one sentence long or a word or two are part of the reason/problem in creating short attention spans.
Dude really? Smith did 1 thing and 1 thing only in college... He ran in a straight line and out ran everyone and caught the ball. He already knows how to do that. This is the staff trying to coach him to do more than just that cause he aint gonna be able to do that too much in the NFL. What good would it be to ease him along and let him just run straight down the field? Build his little confidence? Maybe we can hire back Rex Ryan to kiss his ass and make him feel good.. This is the NFL if he can't handle things being thrown at him that he's not used to then he's the one that needs to change not the coaching staff.
I fully agree with this. We have to trust the coaching staff as they are the ones who have been hired to teach these kids how to play the game. Focusing upon what he is already good at might bring some short term success, but Smith needs to expand his game beyond just "Go deep" to become an impact player. Smith himself said leading up to the draft that he wanted to show the world that he can be a complete WR - Well, it's time for him to go to work.
How does knowing how to do more things in an offense ever hurt a player? We're talking about our #4-6 WRs...young guys. We have absolutely no need to rush them into any sort of starting role. Yea sure..Devin Smith will likely be the team's best deep threat.Devin can go out & run go routes & deep posts in his sleep.The more things he learns how to do the more ways he can be used going forward & as his role expands.
