I quoted the scripture dumbass, I don't make things up, I have backed everything up that I posted with verifiable facts, I never said anything about Hitler being catholic but I wouldn't doubt it. You have been schooled by just about every person in this thread yet keep LOLing and calling us liars. We are the ones posting facts not opinions like you. Yes, you are sad, so sad that you don't realize how foolish you look. Mark 11:12-14 12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.
"On the walls of the Christian catacombs in Rome, the symbol of the Swastika appears next to the words “ZOTIKO ZOTIKO” which means “Life of Life”. It can also be found on the window openings of the mysterious Lalibela Rock churches of Ethiopia, and in various other churches around the world."
Pretty funny how you continually mistake those that are speechless by your stupidity thinking they are backing you. I am only going to make one statement on the Hitler/Catholicism issue, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Seems pretty straight forward to me but not going to address that further as it is not too much a part of what I was saying previously.
Yet another photoshopped image from some jackass trying to spread filthy lies and re-write history. The church-bashing propaganda out there is amazing, and shameless. Some people wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit them on the nose, so I am probably wasting my time with the handful of brainwashed propaganda jockeys in this thread. I can only hope that the majority of people reading this thread can sift through the rubbish and find some value here.
Hitler is commonly referred to as an antichrist figure, so of course there will be lies spread about him. That's how the devil works, and that's how Hitler brainwashed the German people that what he was doing was good. He was a charismatic speaker and leader, so he was able to poison the minds of his people with pure evil. Just google it, unless you want to keep believing the lies being spewed on here.
Yes, of course. Catholics recognize that other Christians are good people, and do great things, but we just disagree over certain aspects of the Bible and Church history. My point is that both the bible study shooting in SC in the news now, and the Newtown school shooting, resulted in both of those communities rallying together around their shared Religious Faith. People praying together, singing hymns together, offering Church services for the victims, prayer vigils, etc. Extensive coverage of the religious response of the community on CNN, with people like Anderson Cooper applauding the faith of the people, their amazing ability to forgive and not succumb to hatred and revenge. All a result of one man, Christ Jesus, whose revolutionary teachings still bring great comfort, peace, joy, and healing to individuals and communities over 2000 years later. That itself is a miracle.
In terms of positive things about religion what about Pope Francis. He's always been a man of the people. He now has strict rules against pedophiles and is kicking out even higher ranking priests who either have been involved or tolerated it. And his recent encyclical on climate change. I hope some people (and they will) listen to him. Even though 97% of scientists say fossil fuels etc and other man made causes have led to environmental problems. The right wingers (who are in the pocket of big oil) say it's crap. Of course this is where their money is coming directly from. When the Koch Bros. say jump they shout "how high!" I love Pope Francis. Of course these a-holes are attacking him and telling him to mind his own business. Well, the world is his business.
Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent comments. Sadly becoming all too rare in this thread. Although I disagree somewhat with what you said, you do raise an interesting question. Personally, it worries me a bit how liberal this Pope seems to be. The day the church becomes a popularity contest is the day it loses all credibility. The church is supposed to guide people and teach the truth, not sway to the changing winds of public opinion. Just like the President can't change the U.S. Constitution, no matter what opinion polls show, the Pope can't change the Truths of fundamental Church Doctrine. The truths of history don't change with the whims of popular opinion. The church has been the rock of stability in a changing world. Of course these timeless truths need to be applied in different ways according to the culture of the day, but they don't change. The strict rules against pedophiles, including extensive psychological testing and background checks that the Church now has in place to protect children is obviously a good thing. His recent encyclical on climate change is good too, but it is not intended to be a political statement. I haven't read it yet, but I plan to soon .... from what I understand, it is simply an emphasis on how we need to protect the environment. Whether or not humans have caused the global warming that is occurring, to any significant degree, or whether it is simply an inevitable result of natural forces, is another question. In other words, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I have heard that global warming is cyclical, has been occurring for thousands of years, sun spots, etc, and that man-made global warming accounts for, at most, about 3% of total global warming.
I Based on what I've read this Pope is genuine and not trying to win a popularity contest. He always rode the bus to work when he was a priest in Buenos Aires and always felt it was his duty to help the poor. Of course there are many against that. There isn't any doubt that a good percentage of global warming is man made. 97% of world scientists no matter what their politics agree and say this is beyond being a serious problem. This is not political by Francis. He wants to help our world.
The Pope has every right to comment on something he feels can be detrimental to the world. It's his duty. Something as Stokes has pointed out Pope Pius didn't do.
how is it possible if sexual abuse of children by clergyman never happened, was just anti-Christian lies?
It's common knowledge that these are the Stalin's spies we discussed and proved earlier. Try to keep up
I don't know what you mean. Of course there has been widespread sexual abuse of children in the Catholic Church. Pedophiles are attracted to places like the church, schools, athletic teams where there are a lot of kids. But based on what I've read Francis has tried to do something substantial about it. And to stop it. Not just pass the buck on it and try to cover it up. Correct me if I'm wrong on that, but I think it's true.
There is no doubt that Pius and the Catholic Church during WW2 tried to get along with Hitler. And were complicit with the Nazis.
First, that was a sardonic comment. Second, it's widely known and was taught in schools of all levels that Hitler hated Catholics. Just ask the OP, he'll copy/paste whole essay for you on the topic.
I did some research, and I found out where this crazy idea that "Hitler was Catholic" comes from, and where the equally ludicrous idea that "Hitler was in cahoots with the Church" came from. Unlike some of the other nonsense being spewed on here, this one has some basis in fact, although it's a misunderstanding of history. I suspected that Hitler may have been Catholic, and that's where this myth comes from .... read on: "Hitler had been baptized a Catholic and in childhood had taken an interest in the Church. But the death of his brother, among other childhood traumas, helped crush the 10 year old Hitler's faith. His boyhood interest in religion was replaced by a hatred for authority - especially the authority of the Church, his teachers, and, later, Jews, capitalists, and the Habsburgs. All that remained of Hitler's early Catholicism was a love of art, architecture, music, and, perhaps, ceremony and an idealization of women. ... Like Mussolini, Hitler was a juvenile delinquent. His school days ended, he tried to live as an artist, and ended up as a beggar, living in flophouses. The Catholic Church's concordat with Germany in 1933 was no endorsement of the Nazis, any more than the Church's attempt at a concordat with Soviet Russia - which the Communists dismissed - would have been an endorsement of Bolshevism. Both regimes were utterly opposed to the Catholic religion, Catholic social teaching, and Catholic philosophy. In fact, if that reputed scandal of the Catholic Church, the inquisition, had been in force in a papally submissive Germany, the Nazi Party would never have come to power; the Holocaust would never have happened. The Nazis offered a replacement religion, a mysticism of the volk, a worship of state and party, and promulgated laws that dispensed with traditional Catholic morality. Almost immediately after signing the concordat, the Nazis fell afoul of the Catholic Church by legalizing abortion and sterilization (for non-Aryans) - surgical procedures that are now known in the Western world as constitutional rights, but to the Catholic Church were a sign of the barbarism of the new regime. The dehumanization inherent in Nazi genetic engineering was abhorrent to Catholics - but not, it must be said, to Protestants. Within 3 years of the concordat's signing, the Pope had issued nearly 40 notes of formal protest to the Nazi regime. On Palm Sunday 1937 came the most dramatic Papal denunciation of Hitler's Germany. It was an encyclical that had been slipped into the country by stealth and was read from every Catholic pulpit in the land. It catalogued the Nazis' violations of the concordat, pointedly affirmed Christianity's roots in Judaism, underlined the universality of the Catholic faith that treated all people of whatever nation and race as the children of God, and condemned the Neo-paganism of the Nazis and their "mad prophet" Adolph Hitler." The Nazis responded with repression and explicit threats against the Church. " -- H.W. Crocker III, "Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church: A 2000-year History"; Crocker is an historian, journalist, book editor, and a Catholic convert from Anglicanism. This only adds to his credibility. This is not some internet blogger with no credentials, like others quote in this thread.
