Not to backtrack but I think I have found a reason why all the priests were committing such despicable acts. Must have been serving too much grits at seminary school. http://dailycurrant.com/2014/05/05/study-links-homosexuality-to-eating-grits/
Again, God wants us to be free, all of us. Of course he could control the world like a puppet master, but what would be the merit in that? We are his ultimate creation, with an intellect, awareness, and free will that makes us almost like gods; of course we are mortal beings, and our powers are limited, but we have a unique ability among members of the animal kingdom to be aware of our surroundings, and to control our environment. I like to think of humanity as God's great experiment; he wanted to see if we could govern ourselves, learn from His teachings and each other, control our instincts and physical desires, and rise above the other animals to create a world in which there is peace, love, and harmony. We certainly have the ability, in theory at least, to do just that. God intervenes from time to time, just as a good father teaches and helps his children according to his discretion. But just like a good father, He ultimately wants us to learn to manage our own lives ourselves. He wants us to learn to live with each other in community, form healthy relationships, and help each other. Jesus' selfless love is the perfect model of how we should live. The rest is up to us. You have to admit that makes sense. As to the question of suffering, there is a whole theology within the Catholic Church that explains that. If you are interested, I can attempt to explain that next. It makes sense to me, but it takes a little while to explain it adequately.
Yes, but if the Catholic Church was full of child molesters like some on here claim, no politician would want to be associated with that. They would stay as far away as possible. Obviously the broader view of the Church is still a good one; it is a small minority of Church-bashers who propagate these gross exaggerations, saying things like there are trillions of pedophile priests or whatever outrageous number they pull out of their crack. BTW, that article I posted that was dismissed as being a blog from a Catholic contained information that I just found in a liberal newspaper, The Wasington Post: "Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions. An extensive 2007 investigation by the Associated Press showed that sexual abuse of children in U.S. schools was "widespread," and most of it was never reported or punished. And in Portland, Ore., last week, a jury reached a $1.4 million verdict against the Boy Scouts of America in a trial that showed that since the 1920s, Scouts officials kept "perversion files" on suspected abusers but kept them secret. "We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Newsweek. "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others." Part of the issue is that the Catholic Church is so tightly organized and keeps such meticulous records -- many of which have come to light voluntarily or through court orders -- that it can yield a fairly reliable portrait of its personnel and abuse over the decades. Other institutions, and most other religions, are more decentralized and harder to analyze or prosecute." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602026.html This, from the Washington Post, is almost identical to what the article written by a "Catholic blogger" said, which I was criticized for posting earlier.
And, of course, my post earlier about all of the great things the Catholic Church has done throughout its history, and continues to do, is just ignored by the Catholic-bashers, because it doesn't fit their agenda of slandering the Church. Typical.
These catholic bashers as you call us were merely posting the truth while you tried to claim no priest had ever been convicted, that there is a smear campaign, etc. What you just posted is nowhere near what Pierre wrote. No one ever claimed that it was more pervasive in the church but that it was a place that children should have been able to feel safe and that turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth. I guess you also missed #4, Guess you can take that out of your talking points now since you claimed there was a smear campaign but your post and the link shows that not to be true.
It was ignored because it had no bearing on everything else that was being discussed. You tried to take the discussion away from where you were being battered, didn't work.
Thanks for changing what I wrote and including it as a direct quote of mine. That's just plain lying, and I believe in a court of law they call that slander. Probably what these so-called "victims" are doing when they claim that a Priest "abused them" 30 or 40 years ago. What the Catholic-bashers on here are proving is that there are people out there who will lie to attack the Church, and if they sue the Church they can get a lot of money. (don't forget, there are people who have sued McDonalds because they spilled hot coffee on themselves). BTW, let's assume for the sake of argument that some of those 4% of Priests accused of abuse are legit cases. That just shows how far the decline in sexual morality has come in our society. We have gone so far downhill that even Priests are not immune. That's just sad. And it shows that Catholic sexual morality is needed even more urgently today.
Hey jackass, slander is a false spoken statement, libel is a written defamatory statement. So I guess you're claiming Barry's childhood friend was lying and just trying to smear the Church But even if it's only 4% of priests, that's a shit ton and if even one of those disgusting perverts were convicted--which we've posted hundreds of truthful accounts-- you lost the bet so YOU shut the fuck up. _
You still can't accept it, after post after post of proof, that the abuse really did take place. That is called denial. The McDonald's coffee comparison really shows how little research you put into things before posting them. Did you know that there were at least 700 claims against McDonalds by people getting burned from their coffee prior to that incident? That Mrs.Liebeck had 3rd degree burns over 6% of her body? That she had to spend 8 days in the hospital and also undergo skin grafts? Of course you didn't because you don't bother to do any research before you post.
Did you know doctors intentionally try to harm their patients much like priests intentionally rape children? That why we have all those malpractice lawsuits. _
Don't get a strain patting yourself on the back. All churches do things for the people - what's the big deal? Is it a good thing if a priest gives an altar boy an ice cream cone after buggering him all afternoon? And why haven't you responded to the link about the Vatican's own UN Ambassador admitting to thousands of cases of child abuse? Was that guy an imposter?
It is getting to be quite a farce, can't see how his posts can't be trolling. Could anyone be that dense?
One other thing, he keeps on blaming it on the sexual revolution but I want to know how there was ever a sexual revolution when guys were dressed like this.
WOW that shows just how many money-grubbing whack-jobs there are out there! 700 frivolous lawsuits involving spilled coffee, and it seems you are one of those, um, people who think that it's McDonald's fault that these people spilled their coffee, which everyone knows ahead of time is going to be hot. WOW, just wow. Shameless people like that are the reason my jar of peanuts has to have a disclaimer on it saying: "Allergen warning: contains peanuts". What a bat shit crazy world we live in! (also why a thread like this is needed, to explain to some people what our ancestors used to know as common sense)
You are just one of the hopelessly brainwashed out there who would find nothing wrong with the "Caitlyn" Jenner or Rachel Dolozol stories. You have to be careful what you expose yourself to on a regular basis, or after awhile you will begin to deny well-established truths and even common sense. Like a handful of people on here. I will continue to try to help some people see just how brainwashed and closed-minded they have become, but it's starting to feel like an impossible task. Welcome to the year 2015.
Instead of the Catholic Church's common sense teachings on sexual morality, supported by the laws of human nature, today the far left nutjobs out there try to brainwash us that "gender is a choice", and now we see this from some perverts in an Italian school: "ITALIAN FAMILIES PROTEST FORCED CROSS-DRESSING OF SCHOOLCHILDREN" http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...test-forced-cross-dressing-of-schoolchildren/ And there's this: "In Oregon, 15-Year-Olds Can Get Taxpayer-Funded Sex Changes Without Parental Consent" http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...signment-without-parental-consent_973130.html ....given all of the depravity and filth in our society today, an obvious result of the slippery slope begun with the "sexual revolution" of the 1960's, where standards of decency in society began to erode, should we be surprised that even the Catholic Church has been affected? With how easy it used to be for people to enter seminaries and become Priests, should we be surprised that some perverts gained access to a virtual playground of children? Remember, before the scandal began, parents completely trusted Priests to be alone with their children.
