http://www.bishopaccountability.org/assign/Castaldo_John_J.htm Here you go truth. This guy was the head of the youth program at my church when I was a kid (st Edward the confessor. New Fairfield ct). The head of the church , a man named msgr john Ryan, who would later himself be brought up on sexual harassment charges, transferred him before things got ugly, but he was being investigated while in our parish as well. A few of my friends were hanging out together on a Saturday afternoon. We were about 15-16 at the time. Word gets out about this and my friends mother comes and tells us about this. One of the kids in the group was very close to the church, his mother worked with the ccd program, and he spent a ton of time with fr john. As soon as she said what happened, his face turned pale white and he started vomiting. He was never the same after that day. I saw this first hand with my own eyes. So truth, do us all a favor and stop trying to defend the church in that area. You are entitled to your beliefs like anyone else, but please don't push them on others like an asshole, and, more importantly to me personally, don't sit there and defend the innocence of the church when it comes to child molestation. I'm a friend to a victim of it, who suffered at the hands of those you defend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You didn't respond to my post either - the one linked to the Vatican's UN Ambassador acknowledging that over 3,500 priests, bishops and cardinals were found guilty by the Vatican of raping or molesting children in a ten year period. He also stated that number includes only those investigated by the Vatican itself, not those prosecuted in the rest of the world. Do you believe the Archbishop was lying to the United Nations?
Canon law from the very early 1900's specifically names sexual contact with a minor by a cleric as an ecclesiastical crime. This was a specific crime mentioned which would not have been necessary if the problem did not exist. Just stop trying to place the blame on everyone except where the blame lies, within the church. "The Priest, the Woman, and the Confessional" http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1646.cfm Granted I only took a cursory glance at Chiniquiy's work but that is a lot more than you do before posting something. Bottom Line, sexual abuse in the church has been around for 100's of years and the blame is all on the church.
You are just completely off the deep end now. 100's of clergy convicted of raping young children, 100's if not 1000's more got off because of the statute of limitations yet you deny it all happened. You got me, great troll job, that can be the only explanation now.
Truth4U2, Notice how this is the first time I've called by your full handle? That's because it's the last time I'm talking to you There are many believers here, from different faiths, all of them well respected. You're not. You are universally thought of as a closed minded, dogmatic brainwashed mental midget, and righteously so. It's not a great anti-Christian conspiracy, it's because of YOU, personally. Belief is a very strong, powerful and beautiful moral compass. The 10 commandments were passed through generations, for much longer than your measly 2000 year. The “don't kill”, don't steal”, “don't covet...”, etc are just good basic rules for people. Without them there would be no civilization as we know it, no order, just endless war between countries, cities, villages. These rules were instituted long before A.D. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing in higher power. IN fact, I admire people who do because believing something without proof is a leap, a powerful and brave step. There is a difference however between believing and urge to enslave everyone else into the same belief you have. There is a difference between protecting your choice and attacking everyone else's. It's people like you who tortured innocents. It's people like you who started crusades. It's people like you who killed whole villages. It's people like you who started pogroms. It's people like you who hid raping priests. You are a despicable human being, brainwashed imbecile, close-minded piece of shit who stares at the TRUTH and refuses to admit what he is seeing. The only reason why you don't start crusades, don't burn unbelievers is because you can't. Congratulations, you're the first poster whom I'm putting on ignore. Here is my parting gift to you. This pretty much summarizes your whole belief system.
What a shame-faced lie! You never wanted "an intelligent, factual debate," you wanted everyone here to fall into step behind you as you have fallen into step behind every ridiculous idea fed to you. You can't have what you say you want when you can't understand that facts and truths are concrete and they don't change because you believe they should. You can't have respectful debate when you tell people their lives will be lives of misery because they have different personal beliefs than you. There is nothing at all respectful about your insistence that every other Christian, every other believer in a different faith and every agnostic or atheist is doomed to an eternity of pain and suffering just to allow your own ego to bloom. You've been factually proven wrong countless times here but you trudge forward, changing your story with every step to attempt to rationalize your empty arguments. Have a little humility and just go away so you won't feel the need to lie any longer.
Wow, I said NONE of that, you are twisting some of what I said, and just plain making other stuff up. There WAS a respectful discussion going on between myself and a handful of other people on here, until JStokes returned from his hiatus and starting spewing his baseless hate-filled rants again. And a couple of his Anti-Church propaganda-spewing henchmen joined in, turning this thread into an ignorant farce. I should just ignore the idiots on here, as another poster advised me awhile back. Most of my posts, which are based on widely-accepted facts and well-documented, are just ignored, while the Church-bashers keep going back to old, mostly-unproven Priest allegations and even farther back to the middle ages. Ignoring all of the great things the Catholic Church does around the world today, and has been doing for centuries. If you want to discuss and debate religion, this is the thread for that. If you just want to post abusive photo-shopped propaganda images, links to Frank Zappa and the Red Hot Chili Peppers singing about Catholic School girls, or pictures of farm animals and urinals, well then, if that's the extent of thought and research you've put into the subject of religion, then please just ignore this thread. The majority of posters on here are not interested in that juvenile stuff.
Mostly, this thread has become 1) a well-thought-out post by a religious person, followed by 2) the response of a non-religious person; a juvenile insult, vulgar, abusive photoshopped images, and you tube links to Frank Zappa and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Can we please get some more quality posts on here? Can we discuss religion, not tabloid articles covering alleged abuses; all institutions, all religions, and all parts of society have scandals from time to time. The medical profession is supposed to cure people, not make them sick or kill them, yet there are malpractice lawsuits all the time. Does that mean we should stop going to the doctor? Teachers and coaches are supposed to teach and safeguard our children, but from time to time you hear of teachers and coaches who sexually abuse children. Does this mean we should stop sending our kids to school? This is an imperfect world, not a perfect utopia, there will always be terrible tragedies and abuses. Can we focus on the big picture, and discuss religion in its entirety? And please, if you have closed your mind and hate religion, then just leave this thread, and let those of us who are actually open to religion discuss it here.
Is it the Constitution that's fucked up, or the MEN (non-gender specific for you tampon wearers) that we employ to administer it. Organized religion, no different. For all of the Catholic bashing in this thread, alike atrocities have been or are being committed in all...From the Orthodox Jew to the savage Muslim. Maybe it's not the message, but the Men that are flawed. However, it sometimes seems to this observer, that bashing religion in its manifest forms, is more often than not a mechanism for excusing one's own flaws. just sayin.
Abraham's daughters took him for a father of their own children...your point? Genesis 19:32... And Mohammed...don't get me started...
I don't think it's religion itself that was bashed here, it's the institution of Church. And yes, this institution is flawed across faiths, but the OP kept excusing his own particular Church, thus the conversation centered around Catholic Church specifically.
As it always does. Yet...we are in the midst of a global savagery by TROP, and other no less malicious assaults go unmentioned.... It's easy to run back to the old saw, rather than see beyond the facade, to the heart of the issue. Human nature. and that is the other posters point. He is defending the one religion not started by some tom, dick, or harry.
So what you're saying, you read the title and just ignored 23 pages of discussion and jumped right in with what YOU think we need to be talking about. Yes, institutionalized militant Islam is bad, (just like overbearing Church dogma). Happy now?
This thread was bound to start to get out of hand and based on what I've seen it seems that it's starting to get that way. You cannot talk about religion and not expect people to bring up the fucked up things people have done in the name to it. As a born and bred as well as semi practicing Catholic the stuff that took place over the years is outright disgusting. I have a friend from Boston who was an alter boy in the 70's and was sexually molested by a priest. He's a little fucked in the head because of it to this day, why would he make that shit up? What man in his 40's is going to talk about being assaulted? It's not a memory anybody wants to have but he lives with the scars to this day and will until he dies. You cannot sit back and deny the convictions, the articles, the investigations that have been posted. Doing so you are either being contrarian or just an idiot. At this point I'm not sure which one applies but if you're the latter you really aren't capable of having a "respectful discussion" about religion because you lack the mental capacity to do so.
I knew this is exactly the way it would go... The only way Truth will accept proof of a priest molesting a child is if you physically lead him to a room with a priest whose dick is inserted into a child (although then he'd probably say the guy was a Catholic basher wearing a priest costume to discredit the church), you could even provide court documents with the priest readily admitting that he happily raped a child and providing photo and video evidence and he'll deny it all day long This wasn't anything but a troll thread from the first word
…. No, everyone here is interested in that juvenile stuff especially when it involves a cover up, that is except for you. Enabler.
