if Macs plan is to see how expendable Wilkerson is after seeing how Williams performs during his rookie season and then lets him walk then he should trade him while he still has a lot of value .We can't just let Wilkerson walk we either resign him or trade him while we still can before he becomes a free agent.I honestly want to see him remain a Jet but I really don't like the odds at this point
I don't think it's cut and dried in terms of whether to trade him or not. If the Jets wanted to trade him and maximize the value in the deal they'd have to let the other team talk to Mo before they made the deal. The prospective trade partner would have to get a feel for what it would take to lock Mo up after the deal and they wouldn't give top value without that. Ok, so now you have a real chance that Mo and his reps talk to the other team and the offer falls through as a result of that. Now the Jets are shopping Mo and there's a real chance of a media circus developing and almost no chance that it stays under wraps. The Jets probably let Mo and his reps shop for a deal at that point, since the compensation that Mo is asking for is the stumbling block for any team being asked to give up a 1st round pick plus to acquire him. Another ring in the circus opens up at that point. The Jets position hasn't been advanced at all during the process. Teams are telling Mo and his reps that if he was on the open market his value is one thing and if they have to give up a pick it is another. They're telling him this whether it is true or not because there's no downside to doing that. This increases the chances that Mo and his reps dig their heels in and we just watch this drag out but now it has a three ring circus around it. It's quite likely that the Jets best move is the one they are making now. Just slow roll this with no noise at all coming from their side and the knowledge that if Mo wants a new contract this year the ball is in his court to make that happen.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/06/05/defensive-prototypes-5-technique/ Very tough to replace a player such as Wilkerson:
Sheldon Richardson is basically the same player slanting a bit towards the inside and Leonard Williams is projected to be a similar player slanting a bit towards the outside. Yeah, it's really tough to replace a player like Mo and his contributions for most teams but the Jets have drafted a DL in the 1st round in 4 of the last 5 years so they're an exception to that particular reality at this point.
I don't think they are necessarily the same player. It's in the best interest of the Jets to keep the best players, the fact that they selected 4 lineman in 5 years doesn't mean you let the better player go. Leonard Williams to me makes Coples and even Snacks expendable going forward. Appears to me Wilkerson makes the defense better by doing the dirty work. Wilk, Sheldon and Leonard are all interchangeable inside and out. In a 4 man front Wilk and Richardson inside with Leonard and IK / Coples would make a strong 4 man front. I would like to see Sheldon's numbers in comparison.
No contract says that. Players sign 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 year deals and the team gets rid of the player whenever they feel like it (see Mark Sanchez), whenever they feel like they have enough depth at that position, a better/younger/cheaper option behind that player, whenever they need the money to upgrade another position. That's just the way it is and there's nothing wrong with it. Don't expect us to honor Brandon Marshall's contract or Cromartie's contract. They'll be cut within 2-3 years if they don't take a paycut. Teams change, they have to adapt, they can not plan longer than one year. Every offseason they have to adjust, adjust contracts, sign/release players, draft guys and so on. You can't be stuck with the same players, the same 53 man squad for 5 years just because you want to honor a contract. That's absurd. If you want to win you have to revisit everything each offseason and try to find ways to improve your squad. The same thing goes for the players. Nobody plays at the same level for 5 years from the point they sign their contract. They either get better or they get worse. If they get better they can ask for a raise, if they get worse the team will ask the player to reduce his salary or "fire" him. It's not that complicated really, is perfectly fair to both sides IMO.
The best teams plan a year or two ahead and avoid reactionary splurges to solve current problems which will inevitably fall apart a couple of years down the road. The Jets are one of the best reactionary teams out there, which is to say a .500 team over time that goes through boom and bust cycles where the boom is never at the top and the bust is never at the bottom.
I think the Jets can afford to keep him if they want to. Cromartie is probably a one-year rental. What I think will happen is they'll see how Williams progresses before they make a decision. If Williams busts then Mo gets a new contract.
If you actually look at the structure of the deals they signed this year they actually did plan ahead, they didn't sign any huge deals that they are committed to for more than 2 years
I don't understand why people don't look up the salary cap situation - it's like they are looking at this year and this year alone. The Cap will be near 160M by 2016.
there is plenty of time for mo to get his deal i never understood why teams hand out contract extensions before training camp. guys get hurt in camp all of the time ... i would not accept that risk unless i got an extremely team friendly deal if mo doesnt have an extension come the first reg season game, then you guys can start complaining
It's beyond the intelligence level of some posters to understand the basics of contracts and the cap. They will claim nobody on this forum knows anything about the cap or contracts and cry "Wikipedia facts" when someone attempts to enlighten them. We don't have the contracts in front of us!!!1!11!
Good news: 1. Many of the contracts force players to prove themselves as we can cut them loose within a couple years if they don't play well. 2. Cap should continue to increase each year Bad news: 1. Revis, Marshall, Cromartie, etc. are some of our best players - sure we can cut them loose (I do not think we will want to) but it will cost us cap space or high draft picks to fill the gaping holes left in their wake. 2. Cap increases for all team, higher cap does not mean we get more free agents just that each free agent gets more money The bottom line is that there is a salary cap and there are no free lunches (sorry Snacks). Overpaying free agents, even our own, even players as good as Mo Wilkerson will put us at a disadvantage against teams that are managing their cap space more efficiently. If we want to own the AFC East we can not pay players twice as much as the Patriots for the same performance.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ It's a great website that gives fans up to date information on the salary cap. I am no mathematician, accountant, or anything of that nature - but it's plain to see, the Jets have a plan here and did not ruin the cap going forward after this season. Plenty of space can be re-arranged and re-allocated. It's now some teams stay relevant such as the Steelers and Saints. More than likely, Mo won't be resigned this off-season and to me that's OK - we have an excellent opportunity to do so next off-season. I am afraid though, Mo will have a huge season and his stock will increase to the point where he wants too much. That's why I want to strike now while his stock is at a minimum - no where to go but up for Mo.
This is the gist of it. It's not that going out and splurging on 30+ players was bad for the cap moving forward. it's that it was a reactionary move guaranteed to fall through in a couple of years, just like the 2008 and 2009 buildups that came apart at the seams in 2011. The Jets looked hard and fast at 2015 and ignored the 2016 and 2017 roster situation in the process. Yes, we can let several people go if they don't prove out and fix cap problems in the process but the overall talent on the roster is going to decline when that happens. Now throw in the N-F-L factor with over 30 players and injuries and we're just waiting to get whacked by the fates also. Mo Wilkerson is a perfect example of the casualties involved when you do something like this. He saw the Jets pay top dollar to bring back people like Revis and Cromartie. He saw them spend big money on people like Buster Skrine and Brandon Marshall. Why exactly would he take a team-friendly deal in the aftermath of those decisions? We're lucky that Woody and the Jets understand that without a defense you have nothing. That's what has kept the Jets competitive over the years. However the way that we've operated in terms of cap cycles is what has kept the team from ever building a stable contender for more than a few years. We're right back where we were in 2008 but without Brett Favre. The Jets are an aging team with a few bright young stars and a cap devoted to servicing the aging mainstream. Who are the Jets best players right now? How many of them are over 30?
I would agree if we had a chance at the SB. We aren't winning anything unless the QB steps up his game big time. We aren't SB contenders this year. Jets next off-season will have the opportunity to restructure contracts and open up cap space - so to say we allocated all of our money, it's insane. Brick will be restructured, that's going to open up tons of cash along with potentially Mangold. Richardson we don't even have to worry about right this moment, he will get his and the majority of the players on this roster won't be making the money they are right now, especially if we are establishing a winning culture.
You really think this is the case? I think it's just the opposite. I think the Jets are entering a period where every good player is going to want to maximize his take because the best players on the team are all about that.
Mo and Sheldon are our only great players IMO under the age of 30. They are the future leaders of the defense. Now, if you look at the players at the age of 30+ Looking ahead at 2018 when Richardson will need his new contract: Revis [we are stuck with him and his big cash until atleast 2018] - That's when Richardson's big payday occurs, he won't be making all that much come 2018. Mangold [Extension / Restructure - less $$$ on the cap, long-term security] Brick [Same as Mangold] Cro - Will be gone Harris - Will be gone Marshall - Prob will be gone We will have tons of extra cash - and we won't be keeping the majority of those guys under the same contract, where you think we allocate the $$$? We aren't paying a QB 100M; We have to get through Revis's first 2 or 3 yrs and we will be in the clear for Richardson. I truly believe we can sign both, it will be a tough task, but with the way these contracts are structured we should be OK - we need to continue building through the draft, that will take pressure off the cap if we can hit on a few picks. I understand it will be tough to accomplish this, but it can work. We can't let these young great players leave via FA - we will take a step back.
