Nobody BLAMES Mo for wanting a new contract. Mac is trying to build a successful team. And please. Mo is not Superman. We won 4 games last year. Crappy offense and crappy secondary should not have mattered. MO was here! Really. Start a fan club if you want. Stop overvaluing players. Players deserve what teams want to pay them. If a team wants to pay him his demands he will get it. The Jets do not have to sign Mo to the contract he wants. They can sign him to the contract they want. Since they do not, they would be fools to do it. Stop glorifying players. Jet fans constantly overrate their better players. MO and his 5 sacks will save our secondary. Please.
Well, nobody knows. I am assuming he is unsigned because he wants the big bucks. The Jets do not want to go 14 or 15 for him. Or maybe even 12.
That's exactly the argument. It's safe to say that nobody has gotten paid the way Mo wants to get paid without making several Pro Bowls along the way. It would be setting a really bad precedent for the Jets to sign Mo as if he had made 3 Pro Bowls in his first 4 years. If they do that then *every* young player who has looked really good over their first 4 years with the Jets will be coming to them and saying "pay me like I'm the second coming..." This is tough on everybody but if the Jets fold we'll basically be dealing with this for the rest of Woody's ownership because having caved to Darrelle Revis (possibly unavoidable) and Muhammad Wilkerson (self-inflicted wound) there'll be no way to reset expectations until Woody sells the team.
I don't take the Pro Bowl seriously ever since fan voting ruined the process but I do know that it's used in contract negotiations for some stupid reason. I think All Pro would be a better factor than Pro Bowl and Mo has been voted all pro once before. I think a reasonable deal for him would be 12mil per year but the sticking point is guaranteed dollars
the fact that Williams has fallen into their lap could change the Jets future planning considerably. I can foresee them trading Mo because of this. They might even be in a position to consider trading Sheldon before his walk year comes, depending on how the draft goes in the next few years. It may well be that they never have to pay 2 (or 3) DL guys really big money at the same time. That would be significant, (if and) when they have to pay an elite QB.
LOL How? You talked about his wanting security. He has it. You said he was in a bad spot and couldn't afford to get injured, which is simply untrue. He has a $7 million contract this season. He could never pay another down and he should have security for his family. How many of us make millions of dollars at work in our lifetimes, let alone what 3-4 years? You have no argument. You got nothing.
Because you sound bitter and jealous. It doesn't matter how many millions he has made or hasn't made. Stop comparing your situation, your salary, your standards to the ones of a pro athlete. Compare him to his peers and then we'll talk, then you might have a point.
Your attitude is so closed-minded, obtuse, irrational, and arrogant, that I know I'm wasting my time to respond, but I will this once more. Your responses are typical of so many posters who think they know it all and insult anyone that dares to disagree with them. I didn't say Mo was Superman, but to suggest that we won only 4 games last season because of Mo is absurd. If even 5 more players on the team performed at the level Mo did last season, the team probably would have had several more wins. If you've read all my posts in this thread and others regarding Mo, you know that I'm taking a middle of the road situation. I didn't say that the Jets should have to sign Mo to the contract he wants. Don't twist my words or put words in my mouth. I realize his worth and value to the team, but I'm not willing to overpay. I'm also taking the position that most wise GMs have taken in the NFL over the years. You reward your own young players, keep them happy and lock them up long term. This isn't a situation similar to the Steelers where this is an older player on the downside of his career overvaluing himself. This is a young player entering his prime. Careers are short, the toll on their bodies high, and many former players have health issues and die young as a result of playing and keeping us entertained and cheering for our favorite team and sport. Dude, you have a serious attitude problem. Take your condescending attitude and act somewhere else where someone will appreciate it.
I respectfully disagree with almost everything you posted. I would love to see Wilkerson resigned.With that out of the way, your post sounds like you are Drew Rosenhaus or something. As a person who has worked for 31 years and has to work for 10+ more before I "retire," this perception that athletes can only earn money for a few years is BS. He has earned exactly what the contract HE signed said ge should earn. By January he will have made $13 million by his 26 th birthday. A fairly well paid person won't earn half that in 40 years of working. Unless he is an idiot, he already has security. Plus, he has a college degree and 40 more years years to earn money just like the rest of us. When his football career ends, his ability to make money doesn't end. As for injury, again, unless he is an idiot, he has a pretty rich insurance policy to somewhat protect himself against that. So cry me a river. From a football standpoint, you are portraying one side of the story. Why is it the Jets' fault that Mo is not signed? We don't know what he and has agents have been asking the Jets to pay. Rumors are, he is seeking Watt money, he doesn't deserve that. Watt is the best defensive player in the NFL and might be the best player in the NFL period. Wilkes is very good, but not that good. If his demands were reasonable, he would likely have a contract by now. It made sense to get it done. If you read the tea leaves, it's pretty clear he wants too much. Even so, this is not over. If he plays well this season, he will have the opportunity to sign a very wealthy and fair second contract that pays him $30 + million in guaranteed money,from the Jets or someone else. Or he will be franchised and get half of that next season. That doesn't sound like a bad situation to me. Sure, if he was 30 and a free agent like Revis, he could sign a huge contract. But he is right where he should be for a 5th year player. He should NOT hold out. He should come in and play his ass off and earn his payday.
If they trade Mo then I'll consider that the first major black mark on Macc's tenure because it will be yet another home grown star caliber player that they let walk to another team to have a great career. They have a chance to built one of the most dominant 3 man fronts ever here, and the contracts signed this year by FAs are mostly short term that they can work around for the long term. The cap goes up significantly every year and until such a time as they find a QB worthy of paying top 10 money I don't see a reason for them to make a hard decision on Mo other than frugality which so far is not a trademark of Mike Maccagnan
I understand your point of view, but you can't look at it from a fans perspective. Do you think the Seahawks fans use the same argument with Russell Wilson? I mean he has made a couple of millions already, why does he want more money now? Isn't that enough? He's not gonna starve, why does he need 20 millions per year now? Can't he settle for 5? Or 10? Or even 15? No, that's not an option, the greedy bastard wants 20 mil. per year, at least! He's not gonna settle for anything. He wants to be paid what he's worth, his market value. Wilk is no different. So again, compare Wilk to his peers, don't compare him to "us". We know he's not gonna starve, we know he'll make close to 7 million this year. His peers make a lot more money, that's what you should be looking at. Leonard Williams has already been paid more money than Wilk make in his entire career. Without playing a single snap. He's upset, he wants to be paid. Why can't people understand that?
Bitter and jealous? ROMFLMAO! Whatever. If you had any ability to comprehend what you read and have read my posts on the subject, I take a middle ground. I say that Mac should have taken care of Mo already. I've been saying that since before the draft and before Mac signed all of the FAs that he did. I've been careful to say, however, that if Mo is asking for ridiculous money and not being reasonable, then all bets are off. I want Mo to stay. I think he has earned a new and better contract. I was just making the point that you had NO point. That your saying that Mo needed security and was in a bad spot was absolutely ridiculous and had no relation to reality. It's obvious that you think you know everything. That's been on full display since you came back to this site from JI. Maybe you ought to consider going back there with ray-ray and the other losers.
first, "trading" is not "letting walk". Second, why would it be a stain on Mac? Under all circumstances? If Mo wants prohibitively high amount, would you be willing to spend half of your cap on Revis, Mo and Sheldon? It's possible, even likely that Mo wants to get JJ's payday. If it's not financially possible to do, trading him to a D-deprived team, hopefully outside of AFC is not an unreasonable option, homegrown or not.
You're missing the point. Mo deserves more money, deserves to be paid, but his market value is NOT that of JJ. To put it simply, Mo is asking for more than his value. Meanwhile with Leonard, Jets are negotiating from position of power. It's Mac who has options and current contract on his side, not Mo. You don't cave to demands of a player when you're in position of strength.
I've never heard or read anything saying he wants the same money as Watt and he'll definitely never get it from any team. And the expression "letting him walk was being used loosely, of course they'd be getting something in return but I doubt they'd get anything near what he is worth since whatever team trades for him will have to come to terms on a contract with him so they won't want to give up a big contract worth of money as well as a 1st round pick, probably not even a 2nd, no team is trading for him with no years left on his contract It would definitely be a black mark because it would be continuing a trend of getting rid of good players entering their primes, the only time that ever really worked out for us was when we traded Abraham for the pick that got us Mangold and we never actually found a pass rusher replacement since then
All you need is interest from 2 teams with D needs and same cap room. I can see Mo netting Jets 1st rounder. Anyway... I don't want him to be traded, hoping they'd get the deal done. But I'd rather he gets traded than overpaying him. Jets are pretty set at D line, no need to spend more than you have to.
I understand his position completely. He's an elite athlete and should be compared to his peers. Ok. But neither he nor you should use terms like "security" and " in a bad spot" when describing Mo or some other pro athletes either. It's disingenuous and misleading. You and athletes should discuss these issues in the context of being an absurdly well paid person and not in terms that non-athlete working people would appropriately use. We all get that he wants to be paid like his peers and paid now. The issue is who are his peers and what is he worth and what is he asking for? Not that he is in a bad spot. I understand he wants a contract now. The Jets don't have to pay him more right now. They will have to pay him next season or someone else will. That's not a bad spot. Until then, he doesn't lack security, is not injured, and in making $7 million is not in a bad place. He just has to suck it up and play well for 8 months to get his pay day. In the broad spectrum of things, he is far far from lacking security and being in a bad spot. And that kind of talk is what pisses me off. I'd like to make more money too, but I am not considering "holding out" tomorrow.
And you actually have leverage. You could walk tomorrow and get a new job at whatever the market pays.
I don't have an attitude problem. You have a reading problem. Why would I read all your posts on any subject? Are you required reading? Do we have to find out all we can about you so that we cannot misinterpret you? If anyone has to be real it is you. It is a business. And now that Williams has arrived, it is time to trade Mo or keep him for what you want. He is not an absolute. I have been watching this team for over 50 years. Do you realize how many players have come and gone in that time? I want a team that wins. We should reward Mo because players have health problems later in their careers? He probably can get his money somewhere else. Some fool will overpay.
