I don't see Mo on the team long term but I am eager to see this defense on the field when the season starts.
i think we should re-sign Mo now, and defer any major decision to 2017, when Sheldon is up. provided IF we can sign at 12M or under per year.. a lot can happen in two years. guys get injured, may regress, other guys may or may not step up. cap wise, Marshall, Cro, Breno and Harris will be off the books by 2017. we'll have decision points on Revis, Carpenter, Decker, and Gilchrist too. Any of them can be released if not playing up to their cap number. Brick will either be gone, or on a restructured deal. It will be possible to retain both Mo and Sheldon beyond 2017 by shedding some of those other contracts. It will also easier to trade Mo at that point, under a long term contract, if we choose to go that route instead. or we could look to move Sheldon if he's looking for a giant pay day. lots of options at that point, so i'd be in favor of keeping this unit together until then.....and possibly beyond. on the flip side, IF Mo is holding out for closer to 14 or 15M per year, franchise him next season and try to trade. hopefully it doesn't come to that. but if it does, we have to try to flip that trade compensation into a QB or OT. the Jets are in a good situation here if they handle this wisely.
As much as I like Mo (and I do like him) I would rather have Cromartie and Marshall playing at a pro bowl level for us without Mo than I would want to have Mo with those two retired.
in 2 years, i think those guys are retired whether we have Mo or not. that's 16M off the books. hopefully we'll get high quality play from them in meantime.
From the jets perspective we should not sign him this year to an extension for the reasons previously stated about motivation, and how he's locked up. From Mo's perspective I think he should consult with a financial analyst since I think he may make a big mistake holding out of minicamp. Here's the reasoning: He's making 7mm this year and if he has his usual year, he will either be franchised at 14mm next year, or be extended, or free agent. Therefore, over this year and next barring injury, he will be making 21mm or (let's say he gets same deal as Cameron Jordan at 11mm a year extended with 33mm guarenteed), he will make 18mm in 2 years and 29 mm over 3 years and 40 million over 4 years. The danger he faces is that he may get injured this year. Therefore, he should take out an insurance policy that pays him for injury up to 14mm for next year or 22mm over years 2 and 3. This policy would probably cost 1-3 million. This is why he needs a financial analyst for assistance. If he gets such a policy, he is guaranteed either 21 million over the next 2 years or 29 million over the next 3 years minus his premium. Contrast this scenario with a hold-out whereby he raises his probable of injury (aka-Revis), makes a bad name for himself, or even skips a whole year losing the 7mm this year and noone is going to sign him to a Jordan like deal after taking a year off.
you are optimistic, but also crazy high dollar contracts, zero dead money ramifications in releasing them, and they will be 32 next offseason.. the deck is stacked against a long term run here.
Glad Marshall is here for a little bit, but I would rather have Mo who has played at an ALL PRO level compared to Cro / Marshall. Mo is only like 25 also.
It came on one play when a TE was blocking away from a play. The TE made a comment about Wilkerson not really trying, he responded that against him he didn't really have to. From this was born the "Wilkerson takes plays off" mantra.
How do you come up with $50 million per year? Resign Wilk at $12-$13M, Richardson maybe $15M next year and Williams still under his rookie contract with a cap number of $4.2 next year. When it is time to extend Williams in 2018 or 2019 then you look at all 3 and decide, until that time have the most dominant D line for 3 years.
There's no reason to sign him now, unless you get a good deal. He's going to cost $7 million or so this year, which is less than it would cost under a new contract, and you can franchise him next year if you need to. You can look at Williams for the next year and decide if you really need Mo or not and whether he's worth what he's going to cost. The jets still hold all the cards because of the franchise tag. He also has a strong incentive to get a deal done and not be franchised each year because if he doesn't have a deal and he has a career ending injury (or even a severe career threatening injury) then he's done and he never got his big payday. My preference would be to find a way to keep him, but if not they can franchise him and trade him and likely get a first round pick and maybe some additional picks.
What's there to decide? You either lock him up and then you sit at 50+ mil. per year for all those 3 or you move on without him. You act like when it's time to lock him up we can just pick and choose who to bring back. The other 2 guys will have long term deals by then.
LW won't need a new deal until 2019... signing Mo now doesn't necessarily mean paying 3 DL's all crazy money. it's a looooooong way off. 80% of our current roster will have turned over by then...most likely one of these 3 DL's included.
Mo is good but he is not even the best 3-4 DE on our team (second best, third best). Mo may or may not be a pro bowler this year but I am not sold on him as an all-pro in this league.
First it is not going to be $50 million because in 4 years when we need to worry about Williams, yes 4 years before there is even the most remote possibility of there being $50 million cap hit for all three, with Wilk at $13-14M and Richardson at $15M then unless you think they will be paying Williams $22 million a year it will not be $50 million. Add to that the fact the cap will probably be somewhere in the range of $170-175 M. Why the fuck would you worry about what a rookie is going to make in 4 years before he has played one snap in the pros? You don't, you see if you can get Wilk under a good deal and you lock him up. My preference would be to get it done now, yours obviously would be to wait but you don't seem to have a firm grasp on the numbers anyway. And yes, by the time we are ready to lock up Williams, IN 4 YEARS, then you have Wilk past his guaranteed money stage and they can pick and choose who to bring back, either Wilk, Williams or both.
Really? You can easily make the argument that he's the best DE on the team. Leonard Williams isn't in discussion just yet ...
Take a chill pill for a second. Relax. We're talking about what a player would average per year on a long term deal. Not about what his specific cap hit in year so and so would be. You can do it that way, I'd approach it differently. If Leonard comes in and plays at a Pro Bowl level I'm open to trading Mo this year, next offseason and move on with Leonard to take over for him. Why? He's cheap, young and if he plays at the same level that's who you go with. You don't hand all 3 guys those ridiculous contracts. Pick 2 and get a decent QB, a franchise tackle, an elite edge rusher etc. we'll be just fine if one of those 3 guys walk, our defense won't miss a beat. Unless you want to diddle around with a Geno Smith type QB for the next 5 years who won't make much money and lose games for you I say let Mo or Leonard walk and sign a Pro Bowl caliber veteran QB, those guys will make around 15 mil. per year, maybe more. You should take over for Macc, you already figured out all the numbers. I doubt Mo would be stupid enough to sign such a deal but you can give it a shot.
