Some will go to great lengths to defend an argument they have been called out on, and are wrong about. The whole cutting players situation really is that simple. If there is no guaranteed money left on a contract, then the contract (base salary and incentives) can be terminated with no cap ramifications. If there is guaranteed money left over at the time of contract termination, then the team must pay the remainder that was guaranteed. This is called "dead-money", and counts against the cap. Do some research before calling someone an idiot, it just makes you look like the idiot. http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/73449/how-do-contracts-work-glad-you-asked "If a team releases a player before paying part of that player's guaranteed salary or guaranteed bonus, the team still must pay that money. This doesn't happen very frequently, however. In most cases, the player has already received all guaranteed money by the time he's released. The remainder of the contract vanishes."
You're giving us internet definitions that any idiot can look up and interpret. But obviously cap management is a lot more complicated than this. It takes expertise not just 5 minutes of online research. That's why every NFL team hires and pays experts (capologists) to manage a team's contracts and cap. The bottom line is we get it. You hate Idzik and won't even give him credit for something he does well. Ask Seattle and the Jags about that.
It's stated in the CBA, I can take a minute to find it if you wish, or you could just do it yourself. Yes, organizations hire capilogists, and much like JetBlue said, it's to do more than just cut players with no more guaranteed money (idzik was our GM by the way, not just calologist). Capilogists analyze how guaranteed money in new contracts will affect the cap down the road. They work with the GM to come up with contracts that maximize the reward side of risk/reward so that players may be cut when needed without taking a dead-money hit to the cap, and in turn keep the organization on the right track financially. It does take a skilled professional to make many contract decisions with regards to dollars and cents. Cutting players with no more guaranteed money does not require a skilled professional, however. If one was to extend a player, then yes, that takes a professional to work out a favorable contract. That wasn't your argument though. I don't hate idzik, I just hate that he ignored the short-term side of things, which you can't do as an NFL GM.
I still say. You hate Idzik and you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not putting you down about that either.But online explanations do not explain the intricacies of cutting players. And you don't know the specifics of the Jets player movements Idzik was involved in. It's not as simple as you think.
Except when it comes to cutting players with no more guaranteed cash, it really is that simple. But we can agree to disagree. Loved the Decker pick up and can't thank him enough for seeing what others didn't in Sheldon.
Not that simple. There's a lot of stuff in a contract that does not show up on Rotoworld. And each deal is unique and the cap implications differing. So even if you had the contract in front of you we wouldn't understand it.
Had idzik come into a team with all guaranteed money and no cap soace but managed to clear room; pclfan might have a point. In order to do that you need to know a lot more than just the total guaranteed etc. Since that was not the case when idzik arrived; his cap knowledge did not come into play when cutting players. It just didnt. That is the easy part; figuring out the net savings; which on non-guaranteed money means the total value for the year can be subtracted from the cap. Im not sure what else you are arguing about; idziks moves werent crazy manauvering and shifting of funds etc. he made the easy calls then spent no money to save room
Sanchez's contract for one had money still on it and I'm not going to go into specifics off of Rotoworld which is exactly where I think you're getting your info from. I'm not trying to even imply that I know anything about this subject. If you want to play Fantasy Football knock yourself out. Remember the key word is Fantasy. You just don't have access to fine print of contracts etc,
Yes that's correct, and the Jets incurred a "dead-money" hit of 4.8 mil on the cap after cutting him. That "hit" was prorated bonuses and guaranteed money which was still on his contract. By cutting him before the deadline for roster bonuses they saved 2$ mil and avoided paying the 8.3 he would have made in salary.
Nobody is arguing they aren't more complicated and that isn't the discussion when it comes to Idzik. The argument is that cutting players who no longer have guaranteed money isn't complicated, and that is what Idzik did to give us cap space. If your argument is that Idzik did more and it was complicated then give us those specifics. You can't so you are relying on the argument that it is just complicated and anyone who disputes that simply doesn't know better, even though you can't show us the complicated things Idzik did to free up the cap space.
Where's your proof that it wasn't complicated. You honestly think you have the data and knowledge of NFL rules and policies and contracts to make these statements. The recent Marshall raise and the timing was based on an NFL policy about restructuring contracts. So there are many legal and other issues that only someone with experience and knowledge of the cap would know about and be able to work with. And I'm sure they still have to clear things with the league and check it out with NFL attorneys and accountants. Sorry you're all wet on this one. And your info is based on basic press info fed to internet sites not detailed info. You can have the last word on this and I'm sure you'll respond.
the guy purposely tanked the season to get rid of rex, i wholeheartedly believe that. and that my friends makes him worthy of getting fired.
The proof has already been provided to you in this thread. Just because you want to believe it must be more complicated than that doesn't mean it is. Again, nobody is arguing the process of doing so is some one button push and poof, it is done. And the fact that you have to argue that must be what we are arguing continues to reflect the level of ignorance you posses. Idzik is a bright man, but we are not talking his ability to manage the technical systematic processes of cutting a player. We are talking about his ability to sign players and structure contracts that put the Jets in a position to win, and cutting players who have minimal to zero cap implications based in contracts his predecessor structured doesn't reflect his ability to do so.
Look why don't you tell the truth. You don't know anything about the cap. You googled it. And read a few online articles. And toss out a couple Sportac numbers on contracts. More power to you for trying to understand the process. But you make a ridiculous statement you can't back up with real data or expertise. Clearing that cap space was no walk in the park.
Well then if that's true it wasn't too smart because he got himself fired, too. Idzik was GM and wanted to go long term. Rex wanted him to spend a good chunk of the cap space on free agents immediately. As for the secondary that you guys have bitched about Idzik didn't ignore it he tried to rebuild it through the draft. 2 of his 3 first round picks were Dbs and all 3 D players. Doesn't sound like sabotage to me. Plus he tried to sign the best 2 cover corners in free agency. But they chose other teams over the great Rex Ryan. To me if anyone was a rat it was Ryan not Idzik. When Rex didn't get his way on personnel moves he called up his dogs. And they gave Idzik a real hard time.
I'm not talking about the process I'm talking about the rules that guide the process. The rules are black and white and publicly known. The fact that you are confused by them is a you problem.
You said clearing the cap space was a simple process when it wasn't. All I'm saying is that there are a lot of different contracts.And the analysis you are stating is very rudimentary. But behind this and the reason you started this dialogue in the first place was to rip Idzik. To not give him any credit for a pretty big achievement. Which is your right but why not be up front about it. I've defended him but the guy was definitely not a good GM during his time here. He was ok, fair at best, but I think deserved another year. To me the owner was the main problem.
Ok so Idzik was fired after only two seasons. He was hired after 2012 but was probably Woody's fifth or sixth choice. The top candidates wouldn't even interview for the job. Of the guys who would interview Woody offered the job first to David Caldwell (Idzik's current boss). He even threw in a million dollar housing bonus but Caldwell turned him down and went to Jax. For one, he didn't want Rex Ryan. He chose Gus Bradley (the Seattle DC and a guy Idzik might have considered if he had the authority to hire his own head coach). Let's look at the comparisons of the two franchises since 2012: the Jags were 4-12 and 3-13. The Jets 8-8 and 4-12. Idzik drafted Geno in the 2nd round in 2013. And Caldwell drafted Bortles overall #3 in 2014. Bortles was ranked 31st among NFL Qbs and Geno 32nd. Caldwell drafted Luke Joekel at overall #2 in 2013 and Idzik drafted Richardson at overall #13. So who deserved to get fired after only 2 years if anyone.
Nobody is arguing that the process of filing the paperwork is simple, what Idzik critics are saying is the THOUGHT PROCESS to cut a player who will either have a large cap hit if on the roster or a negligible cap hit if he is not is a simple decision that any GM can make if his goal is to reduce the cap. Idzik's claim to fame was that he cleared cap space, which was accomplished because of the contracts Tanny created that had tons of guaranteed money coming off the books. That's not a simplistic interpretation it is fact. If it wasn't, there wouldn't have been so much knowledge publicly how much the Jets would clear from the cap leading up to it. But the contracts are publicly known so anyone who understands them knows how much cap would be saved by cutting the players. You want to compliment Idzik for his strategy to dump the players then I will join you in the compliment. But it wasn't a difficult situation where he had to restructure deals to make it happen.
It's more of what he didn't do rather than what he did. I'm sure you've been a NYJ fan long enough, you know below average (bottom 1/4 th) doesn't fly for too long. Plus, what were the jags before Caldwell? And jets before idzik? There's a little more pressure here, hence why idzik got the boot when he couldn't win now.
