we'd be a playoff lock and an AFC contender. this team may be more talented than those '09/'10 teams.
That study does not make the same claims that you do. It doesnt claim or imply that you dont need a top 10 quarterback, it just claims that you dont need a top 10 passing offense. those are VERY different things. for example: -in 2013 Russell Wilson was pretty clearly a top 10 QB. he was top 5-10 in nearly every statistic and had a fantastic season. -in 2013 the seahawks passing offense was 26th in the NFL I can get onboard that you dont need a top 10 passing offense to win the superbowl (and even then the average passing offense in that studay was ranked 10.9, not exactly far out of the top 10). But you certainly do need top 10 quarterback play. And if you go back and look at the SB winning quarterbacks during that time, the average ranking of that QB (either based on stats or your subjective opinion) would certainly be in the top 10. The statistical analysis is not incorrect, only your portrayal of what the data is actually saying (its saying you dont need a top 10 pass offense, it doesnt take any measures to see if you need a top 10 quarterback).
really dude..... You can't have a top 10 passing offense without a top 10 quarterback....they are literally dependant on one another at this point its pretty clear you'll say anything in spite of facts to simply debate...respectable, but tiresome.
we would be a lock to miss the playoffs. this team is not more talented, especially on the offensive line, and without that mark goes from awful to super turnover machine awful.
Another factor is that a team with a top D does not need to lead or be at the top in total passing yardage. They can instead run the ball not being behind, certainly not behind by more than one score, that often. And of course Wilson in 13 had Marshawn Lynch, arguably one of the top 3 Rb's in the league. With a great D and a top Rb, Seattle STILL improved their chances of an SB win with a top ten Qb. Is it possible they would have won with a lesser Qb? Hard to say. But if the metric for comparing passing attacks by total yardage is used, that can be a misleading metric.
you absolutely CAN. especially since "passing offense" in that article is just a ranking of team passing according to yards per game. you can certainly have a top 10 passing qb without being top 10 in passing yards. being top 10 in passing yards doesnt mean a whole lot, and ignores touchdowns, interceptions, completion percentage, attempts, and run/pass ratio. the seahawks are a balanced team, they werent top 10 because they also run it a ton. but wilson was certainly a top 10 QB that year. im really not sure how anyone can objectively say that you cant have a top 10 qb without a top 10 passing offense. it happens all the time. the "top 10 passing offenses" is really just a list of the teams that throw the most
Exactly. the articles premise is also more "defense wins championships" and not "you can win without a top 10 passing offense". During their breakdown they show the average superbowl winner from '03-'12 was ranked 10.9. It is quite a stretch to go from there to the article being about being able to win without a top QB. Either way it is pretty clear, the article doesnt even attempt to analyze quarterback play/quality among superbowl winners during that time.
our OLs were good, not great especially in 2010 when Mark had his best year and awas a driving force toward 11 wins and another title game app. we gave RBs just as good, WRs are probably better at top but maybe not as deep and the D is more talented.
The article is not specific to passing yardage....read it It analyzes units, with particular elements within each... Only on TGG can you find people who will debate and twist literal statistical facts, bc they cannot admit they are wrong or cannot admit there are more clear ways to view things without slinging subjective nonsense around when faced with literal facts.
lol BUT you tell us how QBs sink teams if they suck....so by your own logic if the QB sucks the more the pass the worse the results. You are truly just a debater.
If sanchez was a qb capable you bringing teams the the playoffs consistently why isn't he starting somewhere else?
It'd be interesting to see what Sanchez could do with these wideouts. I have the feeling that no matter who is under center at the start of the season, our defense is gonna have to hold the fort for a while.
I don't think most realize how good he actually was in 2010. if we get Mark 2010 play out of Geno or Fitz this team can compete for the AFC title. I would be shocked if that happens though.
I know that you're the best QB evaluator out there, and you'll respond with some line saying so because you have no way to argue the facts but... Mark really was not that good in 2010. No one completing 54% of their passes is good. They just aren't. 20 TDs and 14 TOs is not good either. Tell me Gruden, what aren't we realizing about 2010 Mark Sanchez?
our line then was good. our line now is average at best our HBs were certainly better then and sanchez wasnt a driving force towards anything. he was a turnover machine who love to throw away points by throwing redzone picks and handing the ball to the defense. he sucks. he has always sucked and he always will suck.
the only person twisting anything is you. The article does not even attempt to go into evaluating quarterbacks or quarterback play. and it only reaches the surface of analyzing passing attacks as all it takes into account is passing yards per game. At no point, does it ever come close to insinuating that you dont need a top 10 qB to win a superbowl. and it doesnt use any stats to quantify it. the only thing it mentions for passing games, is the passing yard rankings for teams that won the superbowl. and as we already clearly showed, you dont need to have a top 10 passing game to be a top 5-10 quarterback. Please state which facts are being twisted here. unless you are saying that the only stat that matters for quarterbacks is yards per game, then this article is pretty irrelevant to the points being discussed
