Jets were being paid to honor members of the armed forces?

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    That dude has been raped in prison apparently multiple times. Not sure he's been out of harm's way. Not sure that the military would have been able to defend him, nor would they have tired.

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  2. FJF

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    Regardless of what you think about how the military is used, i don't know how people can disparage soldiers/sailors/airmen do or the fact that they even do it. i seriously do not get it
     
  3. Dierking

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    So, on this subject, we keep hearing about how dreadful these VA hospitals are and how poorly treated injured vets are these days. Why don't we scrap that system entirely and give all these guys medicare. The old folks seem pretty happy with the care.
     
  4. Charlie Kelly

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    Because it would remove a large military budget number and no arm of the government ever gives up budget money willingly
     
  5. Dierking

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    sad but true
     
  6. Hobbes3259

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    Dude, do you even try to get beyond the first thread of gossamer that wafts between your ears?

    What Dierking said, could be quite easily accomplished, especially in the age of Obamacare.

    But...that leaves two issues... one, what to do with all the medical professionals that still owe service, for their free medical training?
    The service needs medical professionals just like the civilian population, and in order to acquire it they essentially pay for the schooling, which the carries a service commitment. There are at least two programs, one is an actual campus, and the other is a paid tuition type thing.

    Granted, (and here I am half agreeing) would it be best to scale back the VA program to the extent that issue 2...can be adequately sustained, yes...clearly.

    Issue 2..How to ensure enough incoming medical professionals in the event we actually need to deploy them in a real war while ramping the program back up.

    After all, there isn't a draft, and if the need arose for a surplus of medical professionals, you would be hard pressed to institute an occupational type draft and survive a court challenge..

    And this type of occupation isn't like your typical 12 month specialized training military school. (Even Flight training is a little over a year..)
     
  7. Charlie Kelly

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    Hey dummy, the medical professionals at VA hospitals are civilians
     
  8. Dierking

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    Hobbes has a lot of experience with the medical establishment. Neurosurgeons, mostly. And that gender reassignment therapy.
     
  9. Footballgod214

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    Plus it helps shield the true human cost of war from the masses. No one wants a marine with his face burned off sitting next to them at the docs office. Well, maybe roger but that's about it.
     
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  11. Charlie Kelly

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    That's talking about national guards and reservists and prior or future service members who are employed as civilians

    1. PURPOSE. USERRA is a Federal statute that protects Servicemembers’ and Veterans’ civilian employment rights.
     
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  12. Hobbes3259

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    I know you can't get past two sentences, but doubling down when you're already wrong?

    I actually bolded it for you.





    Or...How about..

    before you latch on to PHS...these are, in fact Uniformed Commissioned Officers, graduating from USU.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_Services_University_of_the_Health_Sciences

    If that is still unclear to you, please contact the nearest third grade teacher.

    thanks.
     
  13. roger

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    Charlie Kelly is special.

    Let's just leave it at that.

    (He also is incapable of letting go. I expect a barrage of personal insults to be typed below by his special-needs, chubby fingers.)

    Go ahead, Charles....get the last word in.
     
  14. Dierking

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    Excellent point, but I cannot bring myself to hit the like button on it.
     
  15. roger

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    Why would I want that? I hate to see people get injured.

    I'd tell him he was an idiot for joining the military, and then I'd explain exactly how he was manipulated and taken advantage of by the super-wealthy..

    Then, I'd pick up his medical bill and give him some spending money and give him my contact information and do whatever I could for him for as long as it takes.

    Because, that's how I roll.

    You? You'd shake his hand, thank him for his "service" and then go on with your merry life.
     
  16. Hobbes3259

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    The human cost of war?

    What about the human cost of inaction?

    The Khmer Rouge says hello.

    And that's barely an appetizer.

    If I could call Neville 'peace in our time' Chamberlain up from the spit he's roasting in hell on, that would be a starter salad.
     
  17. Dierking

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    What the fuck does any of that inscrutable raving have to do with footballgod's completely salient and balls-on accurate point that the VA, in addition to being a tremendous sinkhole of poorly allocated resources, and in addition to doing a thoroughly deplorable third-world style job in executing its mission, exists in no small part to keep the "human cost" invisible to you and me?

    I agree with you on the human cost of inaction. We are seeing that with ISIS right now. Of course, that's a case of "we broke it, we bought it." We've seen this movie before, you mentioned the Khmer Rouge. We had absolutely no reason to break Iraq in the first place, not that that absolves us from leaving the place a festering chasm of chaos. Just like we did to South Viet Name and Cambodia. But, just like Iraq, we shouldn't have gotten that party started in the first place.

    You don't get to trot out Neville Chamberlain to justify what we've done to Iraq. Not even you are that stupid. You're close, but you're not there.
     
  18. Hobbes3259

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    We lost 5000 men in Iraq.


    And...had we held in Iraq, we could have had a buffer between Assad and Iran.

    From today.

    http://news.yahoo.com/top-aide-irans-leader-meets-syrias-assad-gesture-105707859.html


    We actually only made one crucial error in Iraq.
    When L Paul Bremer...dismissed the 400,000 strong Iraqi Army and sent them home with no jobs.

    Had we set up two large bases one in the east, on Syria's border (where Freeway 10 goes thru Al Anbar) , and one West, and slowly dispersed or contained/retained the Security forces, there would have been no insurrection, and probably no ISIS now.

    And FWIW...forget the Father son issue. When a foreign leader deems it appropriate to plan to assassinate a former U.S. president...he's fair game for over throw, regardless if it's Poppa Bush or B.O.
     
  19. Dierking

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    Swell. Nothing you just said invalidates footballgods point about the VA. Dummy.
     
  20. Hobbes3259

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    " The human cost of war", is as retarded a leftist slogan, as when some douchebag trainer at the gym tells the chick in the gym whore outfit that she "needs to hydrate"....when her workout hasn't produced a single bead of perspiration....

    The only reason the masses are unaware (sort of, absent the ever present Wounded Warriors commercials) of 'the human cost of war' is because we've gotten so good at fighting them, our losses and casualties are minimal. Which is not the same as minimizing it, but... We've gotten pretty good at rolling the B leagues.. The perverse issue is, while we are unstoppable militarily, we have not the political will to fight, nor the political intelligence to explain the reasons for it's necessity.

    So let's agree to disagree because that subject is a 200 page dissertation small font single spaced.



    (1850 due to hostile action, in Afghanistan)

    and FWIW..

    We're still building bases in Iraq.

    http://rt.com/usa/232303-kurdistan-us-military-base/

    New Air strike resupply base. Sweet.
     

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