Three games come to mind and they're all too long ago (bengals week 16 2009, bills week 1 2011 or 12, Oakland 35-0 some time between 2009 and 2012)
Hahaha that was a fun game to watch Or in my case listen to on Sirius Radio (I live in the Midwest and at the time didn't have Sunday ticket. Fixed that now.)
I just don't see how you wouldn't feel more confident having Bridgewater as our QB compared to Geno Smith / Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I said this last year that if we took any QB in that draft then it has to be Bridgewater. He was the only one I thought was a clear cut better prospect than Geno. I didn't see how or what made Carr, Bortles, Manziel, Garropolo, etc that much better than Geno that we had to draft one of them with a 1st round/high 2nd round pick, thus giving up on Geno after only one year. Carr and Teddy had a decent rookie year. Manziel was a disaster but it's still too early to say definitively that he's a bust, we don't know what Garropolo is at this time, Bortles was inconsistent but showed flashes. At the time of the draft Geno showed enough to warrant giving him another year. So it was understandable (not to people who never liked Geno) why they passed on a QB in the early rounds. They liked him enough that they felt they can develop him into a starting/franchise QB.
Well maybe some would, but not THIS Jets fan. I saw him play at NC State with Phillip Rivers. I knew how good Cotchery was/is. He was one of the few Jets that I wanted the Jets to draft and they actually did. I was griping on the Jets site where I was posting at the time during his rookie season that Herm wasn't giving him any playing time.
Yeah, I don't get this board's love-fest for Garropolo in particular. Not a fan of Bortles or Manziel. Yeah fortunately, those that made that choice about Geno Smith are no longer employed by the NYJs. I think Bridgewater and Carr are going to be really good. Specifically Bridgewater, who I felt would have been a real good QB for the Jets. I think we would be SB contenders if Bridgewater were on this roster right now. I know that's a homer statement, but he would fit on this team like a glove. Oh well though, let's hope Geno does well because I do believe he will be the WK1 starter.
It wasn't understandable to me, and I liked Geno at the time and wanted the Jets to draft him. I still like Geno and have some small hope for him, but Bridgewater was obviously NFL ready and a great prospect. One can never have enough QBs and one needs a quality backup. The point could easily be made that Teddy was the BPA at the Jets 1st pick last year. Just because they took Teddy wouldn't have meant that they were necessarily giving up on Geno. It still would have been wise and to their benefit to continue to develop Geno. Then they could have had a true QB competition and gone with the winner, and had a quality backup for a couple of seasons before they would have to trade one of them. They could have then probably parlayed the loser of the competition into a #1 pick or maybe multiple picks ala GB of several seasons ago. Also, supposedly taking Geno or any QB in the 2nd round doesn't mean that you're locked into him for the next 3-4 years. Sorry, even though I had never heard of Idzik before he was hired, I wanted to like him since he came from Seattle and seemed to have the right plan in mind to rebuild the team, but the truth is that he was awful. I knew that the Jets needed someone with a strong scouting/personnel background, and he wasn't it. He was too deliberate/slow in making decisions in a league where one has to make quick decisions and move even quicker. In a draft with 12 picks, at this point in time he basically whiffed. He got little impact or return last season from any of those 12 picks, and as Stokes and others have pointed out didn't even get a quality WR, which is a sin in a draft like last year. He obviously has no ability in judging talent and that's why he wound up in administration and dealing with the cap.
I agree. Probably not this season, but definitely next season. The ironic thing however, is that if Idzik had drafted Teddy, he'd probably still be here, and we wouldn't have Marshall, Revis, Cro, or most of the FAs, and probably few of the draft picks (if any) from this draft.
I didn't either because he was only heading into his 2nd year. Granted he might've been a little raw and needed time to develop.
I wouldn't go as far as to say we'd be SB contenders with Teddy. He's still relatively unproven despite the decent rookie year. But I'd definitely feel a little better about our QB situation though... I see where you're coming from, but if you as an organization see potential in a guy on your roster you normally wouldn't draft another QB that high a year later. You only do that if you are giving up on the current guy. We had needs elsewhere. Idzik had a scouting background during his time with Tampa and Arizona. At this very time it is still too early to say that we got no receivers out of the '14 draft. Which was why I used the Cothcery analogy to make my point.
You're right in that that's how most teams treat the QB position, but imo that's silly. Look at what the Jets did with their 1st pick this year. We didn't need Williams, but he was the BPA, so we took him in spite of having Mo and Richardson. Logicwise, that's saying that the 5 technique position in a 3-4 D is more important than the QB position, which as we all know is false. So why then should the QB position be treated differently and worse? We all know that the QB position is THE most important position on a team. If your team gets the chance to upgrade, it's foolish not to and to stick with the same QB just because. IMO this just shows the lack of clear, logical thinking and/or intelligence on the part of the NFL. QBs go down with season-ending injuries every year. There are not even enough quality starting QBs in the NFL, much less backups. Taking another QB shouldn't say that you're "giving up" on the previous QB, only that you have a chance to improve competition or improve one's team. As I cited with the example of GB under Ron Wolf, they constantly took QBs even though they had a great QB. They developed those QBs and then traded them for #1 picks. This should be even more reasonable when your franchise has been without a quality QB for decades. I say that in spite of the fact that I loved Chad. I wanted the Jets to draft him and they did, but he was fragile and couldn't stay healthy and what arm strength he had was destroyed with the injuries. It's sad when he's the best (and only decent) QB your team has had since Kenny O'Brien. I don't count Ninny Testaverde, either. He had one good season and otherwise was an interception machine. I hated him. Anyway, my point is that when you need a quality QB and haven't had one in a long time, you throw the "book" out and you think outside the box, try something different to get that QB. If other people think you're giving up on your present QB because you add another, that's their problem. Who cares what they think? If you show that QB that you still are invested in him, are trying to help him develop and become the best QB he can be, then he shouldn't care either. I know that Idzik had had some scouting experience, but that's different from scouting and personnel having been his entire focus in his career. Idzik was more of a novice or dilettante at scouting. IMO he should have never been hired. The Jets didn't need another cap guy as GM.
The Leonard Williams situation was an outlier, for the most part if you are set at a position you're not going to take a player that high at the same position. They thought Geno had potential and were in the midst of developing him, they brought in Vick to be the backup/insurance policy in case he stunk, and they even took a flier on a QB in the late rounds (Boyd). Them not taking a QB early doesn't mean they lacked "logical thinking and intelligence". It meant that they weren't ready to give up on their current young guy, and took a player that would address another need. This year they passed Gregory who was the BPA did the current regime lack intelligence for making that decision? QB's get injured so they addressed that by signing the best available free agent Michael Vick.
I disagree. IMO it shows that they lack logical thinking and/or intelligence, or at least an understanding of how people learn and develop. They're locked into the same old way of looking at things that NFL teams always have (that taking Teddy would have meant that they were giving up on Geno). IMO that's just flat out stupid. They're not thinking creatively to make the team better and insure that they improve the QB position. Vick sucked at that point of his career, and I never wanted him. I didn't think Boyd was even a good prospect, either. Even though I was initially opposed to taking Williams, at least traditionally, most of the better GMs took BPA/BAP regardless of need. I understand the wisdom in that. The main reason I objected to it so strongly was because of all the other times the Jets had taken a DL or defensive player in the 1st round over the last 10 years. After my initial objections, I realized that it was the right and smart thing to do, barring getting a great trade down offer that one couldn't refuse. If one is going to do the "smart" thing with a 3-4 DE (and it isn't even the most important position in that D alignment), then one HAS to do it with the QB position imo since it is so important. If a team can't develop two QBs simultaneously, then they have a problem. I understand that there are only so many snaps and that the starter needs to get the overwhelming majority, but they can continue to work on the fundamentals, mental work like film study, reading Ds and decision making. Geno needed focused work on his fundamentals and a LOT of work on reading Ds and decision making. In a very real sense, not giving him the time and opportunity to really focus on improving in those areas, and instead forcing him onto the field to try to play when he isn't/wasn't prepared, is giving up on him moreso than drafting another QB. Geno would be better served with someone else starting and letting him focus on fixing what needs to be fixed, rather than continuing to play with the same limitations and "hoping" that he somehow straightens those things out.
You may disagree with it but when you draft another QB that high you are in fact giving up on the previous guy. If that was the direction they went in then fine. But they still wanted to develop Geno so it made sense. When you draft a guy that high you are investing a precious 1st round pick, money and time in terms of developing that QB. This isn't Madden. When you draft a guy that high a year later you are saying that the current guy is not the answer or your future. You don't have to "agree" but that is the message you are sending. Leonard Williams is an anomaly when a prospect of his caliber is there you take him. Total different scenario than with Teddy. The Jets should've done with Geno what they are currently doing with Petty. Let Sanchez compete with a free agent vet while Geno sat. But now that's a moot point. They did the next best thing bring a free agent QB that played well the year before, and drafted a developmental prospect in the late round.
NO, YOU AREN'T!!!!!!! That's just old, hideabound, stereotypical, narrow-minded thinking and interpretation of what that means. It's stupid! There's no inherent, set in stone meaning for that action. It has nothing to do with some stupid computer game. I've never even seen, much less played Madden.
It's not for you to agree with. This is real life not a video game franchise mode. If they deemed that Geno was not in their long term plans then fine draft Teddy or whoever else. But if he is then you do not draft another QB that high unless Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck fell to your pick, and as much as I liked Teddy he was not that kind of prospect.
You're just being stupid and obtuse. You speak as if it's a written rule or law and nothing ever changes in the NFL. NOTHING is set in stone. What you're talking about has been the thinking for a while in the NFL, but nothing says that can't or won't change. Trends and philosophies change. Just as systems and philosophies change on teams when they hire a new HC and/or coordinators, draft philosophies change, and some GM who doesn't hold with traditional thinking could definitely decide to do that if he thinks outside the norm. I'm sorry that your mind is as small and your thinking as limited and narrow as some of those in the NFL. How many times are you going to throw up your stupid video game comments? I've made it clear that I don't play those games. My comments have NOTHING to do with some stupid, childish game, but rather real life. It just takes a creative mind that doesn't limit itself with what everyone else has done or thinks, but chooses to creatively solve a problem.
