1) wins = team stat. you can not quantify and individual players performance based on a team stat. 2) seasons arent 11 games long, they are 16 games long. Favre was not a good QB here over the course of that seasson. you can say it was due to injury, thats fine, but he still wasnt good. sorry to let facts get in the way, but the facts are that sanchez was in the bottom of the league during his entire time as a jet. favre was poor as well. a 77 QB Rating is terrible. that is a fact. you can debate facts if you want, i choose not to. if you are ok with 29th our of 32 QBs then thats fine too, i prefer not to have my qb play at a bottom 3 level
you are confusing the 2012 version w/ the rest of his career. he never once almost kept us from making playoffs in 2009 or 2010. he was not the biggest reason we missed in 2011 or 2012.
it's hard to win consistently w/o quality QB play, you may win games here and there but getting to postseason and winning is almost impossible w/ quality QB play. wins are team stats but if your QB is bad it's really hard to win, if he's good it is much easier to win.
This opinion seems flawed. You don't get to the championship game being a scrub...unless that "scrub" beat other "scrubs". The NFL is filled with "one hit wonder" QBs, but should you really diminish them just to spew hate at YOUR team's QB?
Sanchez could have been good. The Jets putting Wayne Hunter at RT killed him. That, combined with "Captain" less hungry Holmes and really no offensive weapons were Sanchez fate with the Jets. Sanchez never came back from 2011 road trip Oakland (he played exceptional) - Baltimore (the death) - New England (buried)... Even winning the next 3 didn't matter. Sanchez played with one eye down field and one eye on the turnstile RT after that
He absolutely almost kept us from the playoffs in 2009: we were 7-6, heading into atlanta. Sanchez threw 3 itnerceptions, including 1 in the redzone in a game we lost 7-10. he was undoubtedly the reason we lost that game in 2009 we were 9-7 and made the playoffs on tiebreakers. the only reason that atlanta game didnt cost us the playoffs was because indy and cincy rested players the last 2 weeks. if the colts didnt rest peyton manning that next week, we would have lost, finished 8-8, and missed the playoffs. sanchez threw for just 168 yards a game that season. he had 12 touchdowns to 20 interceptions. he was TERRIBLE that year. it was easily he worst season
2011 was a very flawed team, the lockout really killed us. Mark was up and down that year, he was terrible in 2012 but had no chance. Hunter played well on the run to the title game in 2010 but he couldn't keep it up as a full time starter. we went from surrounding Mark w/ weapons the first 2 years to bringing in guys cheap in 2011. it killed us and him.
Brett Favre was a good QB. He's going to the HOF. He did get injured, but over the course of the season he played with the Jets he WAS a good QB. The ENTIRE season? No. Over the course of the season, yes. "terrible" is a subjective term so, it can be debated because it is not a fact. It is your OPINION. Moreover, QB ratings are hardly the only relevant stat used to determine a QB's performance. It's a simplistic view that you seem very invested in, but, for me, I take that statistic along with others to formulate an opinion on a QB. For example, Geno had a worse rating the year before but the Jets won 4 more games. So, clearly, ratings don't automatically mean victories if they are high or losses if they are low. I'm not 'ok' with his rating. But I see a bunch of mitigating factors that have been said many times before. You, apparently, see his negative ratings and feel he is totally at fault for all of them. And that's fine, too. But, again, if Geno were THE problem, he'd be out and the HC and GM would still be in and we wouldn't have spent all the draft and FA capital on upgrades to various offensive positions. I'd point out that we spent THE LEAST at the QB spot of positions where we spent capital. If Geno were THE problem you believe him to be, wouldn't be looking at Mariota or some other "upgrade". All we got was a placeholder, who may or may not be AS GOOD as the last backup we had.
we also missed multiple FGs and the D blew a late lead AGAIN. that was a cold, windy day. a day for defense and the D played great for 55+ mins then blew it late like they so often did those 2 years. you like hypotheticals, the reality is we won the games we needed to win. I love the rested starters excuses. we were w/in 5 pts midway through 3rd when Indy rested starters. It's not like we were down 28-10 and came back when the starters were pulled. Using that logic there's no way we could have beaten SD unless they rested starters, we were down 4 midway through 3rd but they played it out and we won. would Indy have won? probably but we don't know for sure and Cincy played starters for a half and we were thrashing them w/ starters in.
bad QBs make the playoffs all the time. hell teams with losing records make the playoffs all the time. a great defense can carry a bad QB to a couple of playoff wins. you really are spewing a ton of nonsense. football is a team sport with 53 players. wins are a team accomplishment.
we never had a GREAT Defense, we had very good defenses and if the QB was bad there's no way we make 2 title games.
If they were "bad" again, another relative term, they were better than the QBs who didn't make it. And, of course, you haven't actually produced a "bad" QB who has made the playoffs...because he likely wasn't as bad as the guys who didn't make it. Bottom line: the Jets weren't a playoff team with or without Geno Smith the last two years. You can go around the maypole with your bullshit, but, again, the Jets just overhauled the team and spent less on Smith's position than many others.
if you are saying he was only a good QB for a portion of the season, then you cant use his QB rating for the entire season and say it was good. The last 5 games of the season he threw 2 touchdowns and 9 itnerceptions. that plummetted his QB rating towards the 81.0 rating you referenced. the first 11 games, when favre played well, his QB rating wsa over 90. wins are a team stat, not an individual stat. Terrible is not all that subjective. if you rank 29th our of 32 players, thats certainly warrants being called "terrible". and its not just QB rating, Geno finshed among the bottom of the league in completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards per game, TD:INT ration, interceptions per attempt, and touchdowns thrown. Geno isnt the only problem. When you are year 2 into a rebuild there is more then just 1 problem. but he is the biggest problem. if he wasnt we wouldnt have signed fitzgerald, looked into drafting mariotta, and drafed bryce petty. we have plenty of holes, they cant all be fixed in 1 year. we addressed a few. we still need to address the offensive line, inside linebacker, and quarterback
Mark Sanchez's last year? Santonio Holmes and nobody, an OL diminished with the loss of a couple of OGs? Maybe semi-pro playoffs...maybe if all the other teams field replacement players...
The defense might have played better if the offense didnt keep turning the ball over putting them in horrible position and forcing them to be on the field so long. this is such a typical post from you. the offense is terrible, sanchez turned it over 3 times. the offense consitently goes 3 and out. the defense is tasked with constantly being on the field. they allow only 10 points, yet you blame the defense because they couldnt hold onto a 7-3 lead. maybe, i dont know, the offense could have score more then 1 time and not turned it over 4? there are no hypotheticals. we lost to atlanta in a game sanchez turned it over 3 times including a redzone pick. he was terrible that game and the main reason we lost We were losing to indy by 9 when manning and their key players came out. he had thrown for 200 yards in less then 2 quarters. painter came in, wet the bed, turned it over and we turned the game around. we certainyl dont beat them if they keep manning and their starters in
And yet, the EXPERTS, who have expertly overhauled the team, spent virtually NO new money on his position. So, I guess you know more than they do... Next!!!!!
again, wins are a team accomplishment. if you beat a team it doesnt mean everyone on your team is better then everyone on the other team. the broncos beat pittsburg, does that mean tebow is a better QB then roethislberger? tebow's team made if further then the packers that year, does that mean he was better then aaron rodgers as well? there you go moving goal posts again. dont get made at me to responding to the original points and posts in thread. the article linked had stated that a 77QB rating is average. i pointed out it is clearly NOT average (was 29th worst out of 32, far from average). the bottom line is this. geno smith has been a BAD qb to this pointin the NFL. was he the only bad player on the team? no. far from it. i never claimed otherwise
They signed ryan fitzpatrick they drafted a QB in the draft they did basically everything they could. if there was a frnachise QB via free agency they surely would have tried to sign him. there were none available. had winston or mariotta been available at 6, they likely would have drafted them. mac said in the presser after day 1 that they explored optiosn to trade up with tenesse. to say the jets are ok with geno because they didnt spend a ton of money in free agency on a QB is pretty iditoic. the jets explored every avenue to upgrade the position
Dude, it was a joke, half tinged with sarcasm and half with realism. Holy shit kid, get your head out of a calculator and open up your eyes. He was PUTRID last year, much worse than 2013 considering he was in his SECOND full year AND he had more talent around him in 2014. Are you honestly arguing that his INT ratio was that much better that we should be bragging it? He got BENCHED after an historically craptastic 4 game stretch culminating in a zero point zero. his INT ratio got better because after 12 games, we decided to take the ball out of his hands and limited his throwing. After he came back from his benching he was attempting 12 passes a game. His perfect game that skewed the entire year came when both the jets and the Dolphins were making tee times-a tee time geno probably missed because he can't TELL time. Completing over 60% of your passes in the NFL is not the measure of success, it's the defining line between shit and below average. Especially with the WR corp he'll have at his disposal. And stop comparing him to Sanchez--that is an irrelevant discussion at this point. Open your eyes. He was worse in 2014 than he was in 2013 because that year he was a rookie that'd you'd expect to be awful. He got BENCHED for being awful in 2014. Geebus. _
