I can buy this argument that he may have thrown more picks had he played in all 16 games but would he have also thrown more TD's as well?
If the coaching staff doesn't trust you to throw the football - you are a complete liability on the field - he deserves an F- for that game as well as the Chargers game. He deserves blame for those games as well. Geno was so damn inaccurate.
that was a spat btw coaches and GM, Geno does not deserve any blame for that game. Geno stunk most of last season but so did the rest of the team.
decker and marshall both failed to get 1000 yards last season. both where their teams #1 targets. both have had some injury issues of late. i dont see how calling that an average du is "being a troll". i dont think calling our offensive line average is being a troll i dont think saying we dont have a "big play guy" capable of taking a shot pass for big yards is being a troll Dallas, Denver, Detroit, NY Giants, Atlanta all come to mind as far as better wide outs. I think you are more a homer then me being a troll.
Geno needs to be held accountable just like the rest of the team. Geno does not deserve a pass. No one trusted Geno to throw the football, hell they were so scared of Geno throwing the football, they had to tell Geno where to throw the football on passing downs.
I'm talking strictly about the "average WR corps" comment. I don't think anyone in their right mind would call that duo average, and that's not even including what people's opinions of Devin Smith are. I don't see how you can talk about Marshall/Decker's injury problems then turn around and say the Giants and Falcons have better receivers.
I really dont see the debate for them being better then average? can you name 15-20 teams with worse wideouts? I cant. we dont have a single guy who had 1000 yards or 10 tds last year on this roster. not sure how anyone can claim we have one of the better WR groups. Atlanta had some injuries, they also had the NFLs 3rd leading WR the giants had some injuries, they also had odell beckam go beastmode on the entire league our guys are talented, but still no more then average. not in a league full of star wideouts and passing attacks. in addition to the 5 i named im not sure i can say we have better wide outs then the packers, steelers, bucs, bears, bengals... i think we fall into that next tier with the colts, saints, cardinals, etc...
Yeah, I am going to have to disagree w/ that one. If no one trusts Geno to throw the football, the only person you can truly blame is the QB. It's understandable the injuries, a lot of issues last year - it goes back to him controlling the factors he can control. If no one is open run, throw the football away. He wasn't smart with the football last yr.
He is an NFL QB. asking him nto to suck in an NFL game vs anyone is not an impossible situation. its fine for him not to be great, but it should NEVER be an impossible task to ask someone not to suck
Wait... let me get this straight... the Colts are a tier below the Bears and Bucs with Andre Johnson and TY Hilton? I give up. Your opinions on WRs and RBs are baffling.
Wow, those stats are not that bad considering the offensive personnel and rookie/2nd year QB. 810 attempts in not even two full seasons (sat out 3 games?).. 30 Geno passing attempts/game (definitely ground n' pound....BULLSHIT!)
he wasn't allowed to throw- how is that his fault? It wasn't about trust, it was the HC/OC/GM in a spat that led to it. when they let him throw against Miami in week 17 he torched them.
Absolutely was about trust, if Geno played decent and didn't get worse as the season progressed, there would be no "spat". Marty gave Geno more responsibility after the Packers game - where he said I needed to trust Geno more and what did Geno do? Oh, let's praise Geno for playing well in a game where there was absolutely no pressure. Didn't you learn from his rookie year? Those last 4 games?
this is such a crap response.... where is week 17 coming from? talk about cherry picking. that was NINE weeks later.
you've got to be joking.. we dominated the ground game while trying to hide Geno. when called on, he managed only 5 passing 1st downs all game, no TD's, and ended the game on an INT (which is why we had to hide him to begin with). that loss is largely on having no QB, along with an uncharacteristic 2 missed FG's by Folk.
The Bucs have and bears both have outstanding WR corps. I'm not sure what the issue is. Andre Johnson is not the player he once was. Alshon jeffrey/Kevin white is a pretty beastley combo. but stop muddying up the waters. which of the 13 teams i listed to the jets have better WRs than?
That is correct. On a games played basis: His ints per game decreased from 1.31 to .92. His TDs per game increased from .75 to .92. He also improved his completion percentage from 55% to 59%. With Brandon Marshall and Devin Smith in the mix, its not unreasonable to say he'll finish above 60% completion and finish with 18 tds and 10 ints. By no means is that ideal, but the Jets won 11 games in 2010 with Sanchez going 17 tds and 13 ints. Hell Sanchez went from 17 tds in 2010 to 26 tds in 2011 (though he was worse overall).
All speculation in this..from both sides of the argument. Just to add to the speculation...I think someone (MM) told Geno to stop running. I remember distinctly watching Geno with open field in front pull up and and chuck one...It looked like he was going to run for a big gain but something told him to pull up. Can't remember the game, but it was last season maybe week 5 or so. Running is one of Genos best weapons, especially behind the Professional football olines he has played for. I will say big knock on Geno is the way he carries the football. The last game of the season where he was carrying the football like a trophy in Miami... that was a pathetic fumble. Of course, the play before that he made a great heads up play for a first down. Certainly a head scratcher to watch...but I blame coaching. Year 3, QB competition (no more excuses)... i think Geno will win this off season based on current personnel (sorry geno haters). He has the athleticism to compete in this league..Fitz might die if he gets hit. Fitz=stone statue.
Kevin White has yet to play an NFL game. Vincent Jackson is not outstanding anymore if Andre Johnson isn't. You love stats so much... Vincent Jackson finished with 66 more yards with one more game played than Andre Johnson last year. The waters are only muddy on your shores my friend. I'm not going to rank WRs because we don't know which receivers will bounce back from injury at full strength and which rookie WRs will even make an impact. All things considered, I think we have a top 5 WR corps in the league. Decker was hurt last year playing on an anemic offense and still almost put up a grand. Marshall is a consistent 1,000 yard machine when healthy. If you're going to give guys like Roddy White and Victor Cruz the benefit of the doubt, I don't understand why Decker and Marshall aren't afforded the same courtesy.
