Start Williams from Day 1 in 4-3

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  1. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    A talent like Leonard Williams comes long rarely. If Bowles was smart, Williams would be starting day 1 with Wilk, Richardson and Coples on the DL. They are all number 1 picks and none of them should be "rotational" players. Granted, once and a while they will need a rest. But it makes a lot more sense to play those four a lot more often than greybeards Calvin Pace or Jason Babin. There are only a finite number of Sundays in a player's career-- When you get a mega-talent like Williams, he should be a starter. Jimmy Johnson drafted and started Emmitt Smith from day 1, and looked how he turned out. I hope Bowles will rethink his base 3-4 defense and conform his system to the talent he has, not the reverse. Can you imagine Sheldon Richardson in a 4-3 defense? He'd be in the backfield on every play.
     
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    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    I would actually go 3-4 with Wilk, Richardson, and Williams upfront. But I agree with rotating them. No way should we be rotating Williams with Wilk/Richardson.
     
  3. Charlie Kelly

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    I agree with the "4" but not the "3". The Jets don't have to run a standard defense in order to start 4DL
     
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    I'm starting to think cycling a little bit may be a good thing. If you've noticed, the last 2 seasons our DL has been absolutely dominant for 10 games then has slowly faded from exhaustion down the stretch. If we can have give one of the guys a couple snaps off and still have 2 elite linemen on the field it might help the long term success. Instead of giving Mo and Sheldon 90% of the snaps like always, maybe give all 3 of them 70%.
     
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    Damon Harrison is, um... really really good. Forget about him?
     
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    That's why I think we can incorporate more rotation in a 3-4 base. Damon is the only one of the four that doesn't contribute in rushing the passer but he's a great run stuffer/2 down player. I'd put a combo of Mo/Sheldon/Williams on the field with Harrison on first and second downs, then unleash all 3 on third downs with Damon on the bench
     
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    Harrison is a very good run stopper who is about as useful in pass defense as a tank in an air battle. The league has been moving toward dominant passing attacks and it is why RBs aren't worth much these days. Did you watch that game between the Pats and Ravens? New England didn't run the ball once in the second half. Having a great run stopping nose tackle isn't all that valuable these days.
     
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  8. LV Coach

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    . " Having a great run stopping nose tackle isn't all that valuable these days."
    Then why did Bellycheat go out to get a replacement NT with his first pick? You still have to stop the run as an integral part of your D.
     
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    This would take away from whoever is playing NT. Snacks is awesome because he takes up so much space leaving Wilk and/or Sheldon with 1 on 1 match ups. Wouldn't make sense for any of those 3 of them to play NT full time. Every once and awhile it could happen but not full time.
     
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    He knows that there are a number of teams, especially the ones in his division, that are behind the curve in terms of offense and he has the luxury of a franchise QB to make picks like that. He's not a draft genius no matter what anybody wants to think, did you actually look at his drafts or any of the ones he has had in the past 10 years? Aside from a few select offensive linemen and tight end picks he has made it is mostly a parade of terrible decisions with a guy here and there that works out.
     
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    I never said that he was great at draft picks...only that he took a nose tackle with his first.
     
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    Yea well I guess I answered your question although I'm not sure why you are taking issue with me talking about his draft record instead of addressing my reason for why he took a NT
     
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    I agree - good post. The 4 of them should never leave the field
     
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    Coples shouldn't even be considered as part of the starting rotation. There is a great flexibility with a front 4 of Wilk, Williams, Snacks and Rich, not necessarily in that order. A starting set should be expecting either a run or a short pass, and that is the lineup to present.
     
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    I posted that they should do this a couple days ago. I agree, it's a waste having only 3 of them at a time.

    Wilkerson, Sheldon, Snacks, and Leonard Williams should be on the field at the same time for many plays to maximize their value and absolute destroy defenses.

    Whether that means sacrificing safety for another LB or vice versa. That D line should be full force for maximum effect. Put Coples in a rotational role.
     
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    I got two of those Jack Russells.

    They're nuts.
     
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    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    They get a little crazy when you let them lick your balls too much
     
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    I don't let 'em anywhere near my balls...

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    Coples Wilkerson Williams Richardson
    Davis - Harris
    Revis Cromartie Gilchrist Jarrett

    Core 10

    The additional defender changes based on opponents personnel/situation;
    - some first downs/obvious running situations = Harrison, moving Coples back to LB.
    -dime/ obvious passing sitautions= Skrine covering the slot
    -safety blitzing/roving defender/Bowles trying to be creative =Pryor

    Should be a a great defense. Good reserves as well that will be ready to go if pressed into action
     
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