Fair enough...Im 22 so those guys are well before my time. In my fan lifetime the closest thing to a dynamic offensive player is Keyshawn or Martin
I agree White is a physical monster...we should take him or let the Bears take him and then wonder why we didnt years later, just like we did with Alshon Jeffery
Ah, I understand. That makes perfect sense. I'm sorry that those two are all you've had to enjoy as a Jets fan. Here's to our future! May it indeed be bright and filled with play-making stars on both sides of the ball.
Funny you say that considering that draft we took a receiver that didn't show as much on tape, that also had a great combine that led to his stock to soar. Not saying the 2 are the same exact prospects, but you see where I am coming from.
Yeah, but Hill never had the production at GA Tech in however many years that he played that White had in one. Hill always had questionable hands at best, and White has great hands. White high points the ball, and Hill was a chest catcher. You can't seriously be trying to compare the two. Come on, you're MUCH smarter and better than that. Not had your morning coffee yet?
I just did have my coffee actually lol. I just wanted to make a funny point about combine warriors. This collegiate season, no one was talking about White being the best receiver in the draft until after the combine #s. I remember specifically, Kevin White was shooting up the draft boards and while he had a first round grade, but I don't ever remember him being in conversation with Cooper and to an extent even Parker. I know they aren't the same, it just goes to show what is shown in tape is a true evaluation of a prospect - not the combine IMO.
I agree with your point about Combine warriors. That said, I don't think that White is just a Combine warrior. No doubt that has helped him zoom up the charts, but I would think his individual workouts and perhaps his interviews have as well. He has the size, speed, power, the hands, the ability to high point the ball, and seemingly the fire to excel. Players like him come out of college every year and become stars in the NFL. Some people are just late bloomers, or the light goes on later for them, perhaps due to finally getting better coaching, or their bodies getting stronger and coordination/agility better. Some played in systems that weren't conducive to their talents. If White didn't have great hands or hadn't put up the numbers he did this past season, I don't think he would have risen as dramatically as he has, not from just the Combine alone. Gholston was a Combine warrior. He had production at OSU, but often disappeared in big games. He made few big plays at key moments, and didn't even have the production in college that someone like him with his strength and speed should have had. He didn't have that fire, that desire to excel or love/passion for the game.
I hope you guys are right about Kevin White. He's a talented guy, but I get very skeptical on high risers. As long as he masters the craft of playing the position, he should be a good addition if Cooper were off the table. We agree we definitely need more play-makers on offense. One good thing about Kevin White, he can play inside or out so we'd have the versatility needed to keep all 3 receivers on the field.
I'm not sure anyone is denigrating Cooper by suggesting White might be a really good player. Cooper is a FANTASTIC prospect--a likely 10 year impact receiver. There is no doubt his college tape speaks for itself. But White also had a fantastic year--one year to be fair--but it was a fantastic year. I don't think that speaks of a flash in the pan or a non-productive guy with "potential" like Hill, it speaks to him being also a fantastic prospect. So who do you take--Cooper or White? Cooper will be the more consistent producer, White might be the more explosive producer. Singles doubles .340 hitter versus homers doubles .290 hitter. Not a bad choice. _
Cooper. I agree that White is a better physical athlete than Cooper, but I believe Coopers athleticism is still elite, and that he's got a better skill set upstairs than White. Not a knock on White, but in Cooper I see a Curtis Martin or Darrelle Revis mentality, the will to be great. Guys like Cooper are very very rare.
I take Cooper - consistency and production w/ potential to dominate. I would love to have our own version of Antonio Brown / Reggie Wayne. If Kevin White were as good as Larry Fitzgerald coming out of college, I would have a different opinion. I like them both, but I've been a fan of how Cooper goes about his business for some time. BTW, I was a huge Derek Jeter fan to add to the baseball analogy.
I have seen where some scouts have posited think that Cooper may struggle in the NFL because he has trouble with bigger, stronger DBs. If that's true (and I'm not saying that it is), then he won't have nearly the consistency that you guys think he will. He will have trouble getting off the LOS and won't get the separation that he needs to be successful. White won't have that problem.
That's fine but it's okay to pick either one. Besides, I don't think we know what either of their true mentality is. One of my favorite college players of all time was Marvin Harrison. Loved him--he helped bring about a short-lived hey-day of my schools football program. Followed him with the Colts--the consummate professional. Quiet, reserved, went about his work in as professional and respectful a manner as you could hope. Then he possibly shot someone and talk of guns and a darker personality surfaced. We just don't know. _
I think that right there is the reason why it's not unreasonable to suggest there is a legitimate debate about the two. _
I don't think Cooper will have that much trouble beating press coverage at the next level. There maybe snaps where the CB wins at the LOS, but I don't see Cooper struggling with it at all because of his technique. When you watch Cooper, watch how he gets off the line of scrimmage, watch his feet, he is very deceptive and manipulates his defenders to go one way. That's how Antonio Brown has a record consecutive games with 5 receptions for 50 yards. The scary thing is Cooper is bigger then Brown.
True, but we're discussing in a vacuum, right? I think mental toughness is the single most underrated attribute in the entire NFL, since it obviously cannot be measured through any physical means. I know I'm basing my opinion on Cooper on a perception that may be way off, but the evidence I've seen leads me to believe that you're going to need to put him in a straight jacket and bury him in a bunker somewhere near the south pole to separate him from greatness. I perceive insane mental toughness and focus on his craft with Cooper. On the other hand, White is fiery and emotional and mega talented. That is always a lot of fun to watch, but guys like that can be stifled if you land a sufficient punch. With the highs come lows. I believe they both will be very good to great, but I believe Cooper will be more consistent and more successful ultimately.
If he becomes a Jet, I sure hope you're right. I haven't seen him nearly enough to formulate any opinion of my own.
