You can't force a QB situation--Fitzgerald is the best we can do in 2015. He'll be fine if he can stay healthy.
He won't play at LT if we do take one so to me that's a wasted pick. If he is going to sit then take one in the 3rd or 4th where they should be taken. They say there are 10 OTs in this draft that can start right away so you don't waste your 6 pick on one.
I can not trade a 3rd rounder for a 5th rounder this year. The 3rd next year isn't going to cut it for me. 5th rounders are getting closer and closer to crap shoots where in the 3rd round you have a much better shot at getting a really really good player. If a Dorsett (not likely) or a Greene or a Yeldon is sitting there in the 3rd and we trade out to get a player in the 5th, I will not be happy. I want that 3rd round player this year. _
What do you think of La'el Collins? I think he has the potential to be a topflight LT or OG. He could start at one of the OG spots this year and replace Brick next year. If I'm gonna reach for an OL, it would be one who could play LT, not one whose ceiling is RT (unless I have a southpaw QB). That said, if I didn't like one of the WRs or OLBs at #6 and Mariota wasn't there, I would definitely look to trade down and then take an LT prospect. A number of high profile OTs taken high in the draft have busted too. Another problem with taking an OG or RT at #6 is that you're having to overpay them throughout their time with the team and it can screw up your team salary structure. That happened with Tanny. I understand thinking Scherff is a safe pick, but a number of posters have pointed out that he holds a lot. If he is called for that in the NFL, he could struggle a lot and not wind up being so safe.
Salary cap wise we're looking at 2 more years of d'brick so I would wait. This said, I follow the Big-ten closer than the SEC--don't really know Collins. You make a very good point about salary structure given that the rookie scale is based upon selection # and not position to the best of my knowledge. Has to be considered. I didn't watch all Iowa games--I just did some quick research and didn't find anything to support that he holds at a high frequency.
If you want to address the OT position then why not draft Collins or trade back and target Peat. Maybe the Jets could wait until the 2nd round and target Fisher or Clemmings, if they make it out of the 1st round. I think that any team that picks Scherff will need to play him at G to get the most out of him. He is a reach at 6 IMO.
I agree he's a reach at 6 but I think he's the best OL available. I like Peat and for a time had him ranked ahead of Scherff. You make a very good point--if he cannot play RT, then he would not be a good pick here and a more aggressive trade-down may be called for. What is your knock on Scherff at RT?
C'mon--Dorsett ceiling is Randall Cobb. Would you rather Cobb than Scifres? I would rather Scifres--he's worth 3 points a game at least.
Yeah right--so you're fine with this pos quigley or every other punter we've had except for Weatherford over the last 5 years?
Scherff struggled greatly with speed rushers in college. I don't think he has the footwork to be anything more than an average RT. He is at his best when he is run blocking and can get his hands on the opposing player. He is strong player that should be able to hold up to the bullrushing techniques of the interior d-linemen. I think he has pro bowl potential as a G, but I think he will be an average RT and shouldn't be considered for LT.
So you are guaranteeing me that Loomis is Scifres? And that Dorsett won't be MUCH better than Cobb? And that we'd actually GET Loomis? Before someone else snatches him up? No, I'm never trading a 3rd for a 5th with such little in return. I want 3rd round talent guys. 5th round talent starts to get very sketchy and widespread in their non-production factor. _
Yeah, lets give up a 3rd round pick so we MIGHT be able to grab a punter who MIGHT be good. Or not good. Or not get him. Maybe if Loomis is gone we can draft Jeremiah George again. Hell, let's just trade our 3rd round pick to the Jaguars for George and cut out the middle man. _
Idk much about him-- When the Jets line up to punt I usually take the time to take a piss or grab another beer. The last few seasons I have gotten wasted because of that plan and pissed like a mule
Good grief--my scenario is that we trade the 70th pick, get the punter, and a 3rd round pick next year. Yours is you get Dorsett. Given the totality of our QB and WR situation, its better to take the chance on a P and get another 3rd next year than picking Dorsett and leaving our P situation as is. In no case is this giving away our 3rd for nothing. Furthermore, Loomis isn't lasting to round 7 and you can't take him in Rd 4 so your scenario guarantees we won't land him unless we trade our 4th round pick and there, I like the value of the Harvard kid.
