nope, and Gastineau missed the last 6 or 8 games of the seasons, I forget which it was. Klecko was banged up but playing. TE was average. WR's were good, but one of them dropped a lot of passes (not a knock on a one eyed player, but still a truth.). And only you consider the OL good, no one, and I mean no one, else considers the OL of that period good. McNeil in 86 had his worst rushing season of his career, his lowest yards per carry, his lowest (up to that point in his career) yards per game despite having the 2nd most carries of his career. He didn't miss much time but he was banged up and not performing to McNeil standards. Hector, like McNeil, had the worst year of his career up to that point in time as well with his lowest Yards per carry and only averaging 46 yards per game despite having the most carries of his career. So you have both your star RB's both with career high in carries that season but both providing near career lows. Again, both were playing but both were also playing hurt. Watch more football.
yes, but never both at the same time. So which is it, he threw more picks trying to make plays or he trhew more picks because he was throwing the ball away? Can't be both Junc, you're bouncing around more than a politician at election time.
Actually, I proved to you that Pat Ryan was sacked just as often and Ken O'Brien was on a per-attempt bases. But don't let statistics cloud your opinions.
so what about 1984, 1985, 1987, 1998, 1989, 1990, 1991? we had injuries in 1986, injuries our backup was miraculously able to overcome but what about the other years? The OL was good in that era, just b/c Ken was sacked a lot doesn't make it bad. our run game was really good, we managed to win w/ our backup but you can use the OL excuse if you want. doesn't help your argument but use it anyway. what happened in the playoffs when the backup QB started w/ all these same problems Ken had?
he threw too many picks, there's no doubt about that. throwing away may have been a bad phrase but he'd throw it trying to make a play rather than taking a sack. Thankfully in postseason he protected the ball and on playoff games.
Did you not read any of the posts on this page dismissing all the claims you just made. You need to watch the game.
actually no you didn't, it was a sack every 3 more pass attempts. while not a huge difference was still a difference.
I watched every game, still have may on tape/DVD and I know what I am watching. the average fan sees sack and thinks it must be the OL.
Small enough of a difference to prove that the vast majority of sacks were because of the constant offensive line, and not because of two varying QB ball-handling styles. You lost. Accept it.
Not really and Ryan was a more mobile QB. Mobile QBs tend to get sacked more. the bottom line is this. Ken led the Jets to 5 straight losses to end 1986, Pat Ryan starts the playoff game and they WIN- going away. same team, same players, same OL, same coaches- different result.
don't confuse my comments, nowhere have I said we were the old Hogs at OL but the OL was nowhere near as bad as the sack #s. the sack can be deceiving, fans always blame the OL but that's not always the case. Many things could lead to the sack so the blame was not all on the OL. the OL was good enough to win 11 games w/ in 1985, good enough to win a playoff game w/ Pat Ryan in 1986, good enough where Freeman was always above 4 YPC.
those other seasons have relevance to 86 how? since 86 has been the most recent point of contention. the backup Miraculously overcame....in 2 games. Even the worst team can beat the best team on any given day, just not with any frequency. The QB the backup 'beat' in the playoffs? Todd Blackledge and a relief appearance by Bill Kenney. Blacklege was a 7th pick in the first round bust pick from the same draft that produced Marino, elway, and and of course O'Brien. you want to see bad QB play, look at Kenney and Blackledge. Hint, in his career Blacklege threw more TD's than picks exactly twice (his rookie year with 34 attempts and only completed as much as 50.1% of his passes only once, again in his 34 attempt rookie season...he was god awful, even worse than Matt Robinson. Kenny, while he wasn't a turnover machine, was a god awful QB, but you'd like him...he's very Sachezesque in that as long as you don't need him to throw the ball and can run the ball and rely on your defense you'll win some games. and that backup you claim was so much better was relieved because O'Brien came in and got the team a 10 point lead with 4 minutes left in the game, which Gastineau helped blow with two crucial 15 yard unsportsman like conduct calls that helped cost the game. O'Brien came in, sparked the offense, got the lead and if the defense had held it's own and not gotten stupid the jets win that game. But yeah Junc, whatever.
who is talking merely sack numbers? the Run game was mostly to the outside, where Freeman was most comfortable or inside to the strength of the OL, their Center and left guard. Their tackles and 2nd guard were bad, no other way to put it. It's not all about sacks, it's about hurries, pressures, penetration allowed on running plays. The Jets O-line during that period of time wasn't good, it wasn't even average in run blocking or pass blocking. you earlier referred to Ryan being more mobile and that leading to more sacks, not true. Mobile QB's do not in and of themselves get more sacks. Yes they do get a few extra sacks because they were scrambling around, but they don't gain nearly as many a the lose by avoiding sacks and pressure.
the problem with watching every game is that if you dont know what you are looking at it is kind of hard to understand, no matter how many times you watch it. some folks have it, most of them dont argue with people in websites, most do not, those are typically the guys who argue on fan pages. i dont really understand what marky mark sancho has to do with kenny obrien.... ps, sanchos issue wasnt trying to make a play, it was being scared as fuck and just throwing the ball to be able to fall down as quick as possible.
