North Charleston shooting

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Yes, I am high. not the guy that suggested that he would have been gunned down if he remained in his car.
     
  2. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    If the guy had just stayed in bed that day he doesn't get murdered.

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  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    suspect is pulled over
    asked for license and registration
    fails to produce those documents and says he is in process of buying car
    this would lead any sane person to believe car may be stolen
    suspect then flees further enhancing car may be stolen

    next bit of info we need is what happen when they were wrestling.
     
  4. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle 1992 Rookie of the Year

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    the situation could have actually been prevented in 3 ways:

    1)suspect goes to auto zone fixes his headlight
    2)suspect complies w/ officer
    3)officer does his job(as it appears)

    #3 is the ultimate reason he is dead but that doesn't get a chance to happen if #1 happens.

    I am no way saying it's auto zone's fault though. let me make that clear
     
  5. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Of course it could have been prevented, but that's an entirely different discussion than whether it is unreasonable to believe the cop is guilty based on the evidence we have .
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle 1992 Rookie of the Year

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    it doesn't make a lot of sense but at the same time logic kind of went out the window when the officer pumped 8 rounds into an unarmed man. so idk. I don't really think he gets the benefit of the doubt there
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    like I said, 2 separate discussions. The cop should not have killed him and he will be dealt w/ accordingly but this man could have saved his own life by not fleeing.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    situation escalated, officer panicked and did an awful job. the situation does not escalate if he remains in the car and I have a hard time believing he would shoot him in the car. I doubt he shoots him if he knows he is being taped and if he shoots him in the car the dashcam records it.
     
  9. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle 1992 Rookie of the Year

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    yeah he probably doesn't shoot him if he knows he's being taped. because he's a murderer and an asshole.

    the story kind of ends there
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    that is the way it looks.
     
  11. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Sure, the guy certainly behaved criminally which instigated the situation and led to the cop's own criminal actions. But it isn't unreasonable for him to believe the cop would respond lawfully to his criminal actions, not criminally and murder him, so it isn't reasonable to argue he could have prevented his murder. There was no reasonable expectation from him that his minor criminal actions would instigate a criminal reaction from the cop rather than a lawful reaction.
     
  12. JetBlue

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    You don't know if the officer panicked or was just angry he had been resisted. You cant reasonably fill in that blank with the evidence we have.
     
  13. RuJFan

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    Yes they are. You're confusing civilly responsible actions with mandated by law actions.
     
  14. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    like I said, 2 separate discussions. The officer should not have killed him as it appears but he could have prevented the officer from having the opportunity.
     
  15. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    No, you are wrong. The cops don't have to place you under arrest to detain you and prevent you from leaving or doing as you please, which was your specific claim. That means they have authority that exceeds JAGs.
     
  16. JetBlue

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    No, he couldn't have prevented it in the sense of reasonably expected it to occur and should have been more diligent to avoid it because there was no reasonable expectation he should have been able to predict that the cop would behave criminally.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the cop isn't shooting him for no reason w/ a dashcam rolling so I believe if he doesn't run he's in jail and alive today. we'll never know for sure though.
     
  18. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Of course if he doesn't run he is alive based on how we know it eventually unfolded. The question is was it unreasonable for him to have believed the cop would respond lawfully in his attempt to flee and simply arrest him, or criminally and shoot him?

    If it was reasonable for him to expect that the cop would perform his duty correctly and lawfully than he couldn't have predicted the cop would respond criminally and murder him and therefore can't be the primary reason why this wasn't prevented.
     
  19. Dierking

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    You have some authority for that statement?
     
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  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The primary reason he is dead is b/c of the actions of the officer. My point is he could have prevented that by remaining in his car. that doesn't mean he deserved to die but he put himself more at risk.
     

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