You can NOT apply motor vehicle regulations to this. I'm not nit-picking, there is a major and very fundamental difference. A car is considered a deadly weapon. When you're driving, you are operating a deadly weapon so any deviation from PO's requests will be viewed in court as "assault with a deadly weapon". That's why refusal to pull over while driving is always viewed as putting PO and/or public in serious danger. So now, before even talking to the cop, you already wanted for assault with deadly weapon and/or endangering the public -- the exact scenario when a cop would be fully justified to shoot you. This is not the case when you are on foot, empty handed. I'm not a threat to the cop or the public and have no obligation to talk to him. There is nothing wrong with waiting for the evidence. However, this is not the court of law and we are not the jurors. This is a public forum where we express opinions. From what I read in this thread, most posters qualified their opinions by saying "from what I've seen". So yeah, you can wait for the evidence, but others can form their opinion based on what they've seen so far. If/when new evidence comes out, the opinion can be adjusted accordingly.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...shot-dead-preparing-lawsuit-article-1.2179020 just to clarify, I am not saying this absolves the officer but I would assume in his mind he thinks the car is stolen then sees the man flee so he must think he is a danger. AGAIN, not saying he should have killed him but these are all things that led to this incident.
there's nothing wrong w/ having an opinion one way or the other. to me the officer looks guilty too and I think to anyone watching but there's usually more to a story and before I am willing to say for sure I want all the facts. he was pulled over in a car, officer was calm and asked for license and registration which he could not produce. Officer went to his car to get some info and the suspect fled.
I don't care what happened before the video. Had the deceased not run away, had the deceased obeyed the cop, is irrelevant to me. The issue here has nothing to do with the deceased's actions or inactions. An unarmed man who was no immediate physical threat to the cop or other people around him was shot multiple times in the back and killed as he was running away. That's as clear cut a case of murder I've ever seen a cop perpetrate. _
You're never under any obligation to talk to the police. You have heard of the right to remain silent I'm sure. Talking and running away or towards the cop, which you stated explicitly is permitted if you aren't being placed under arrest, are entirely different concepts. But cops arent just JAGS who you can simply ignore if they aren't arresting you. They can detain you while they investigate whatever it is they are detaining you for as long as they can justify their suspicions warranted investigation.
so why continue to bring it up? If it doesn't absolve the officer than why do you continue to feel the need to bring up the fact that he ran. We know this. It is a meaningless part of the story
it led to his death. it's an important part of the story. if he stays in his car at worst he gets arrested and is alive.
it led to his death? you know what really led to his death? the officer pumping 8 rounds into his back. he was pulled over for a headlight- did that lead to his death too? shoulda gotten that fixed
absolutely but he could have prevented that situation from happening if he just remains in his car. pulled over for a headlight, had no documentation so it was a potential stolen car situation then flees.
Nobody is arguing there isnt a chain of actions, some his own, that led to his death. The situation in question is solely whether those chains of actions justified the cop's use of deadly force. And of course they did not so nobody is being unreasonable to draw the conclusions they have of the cop's guilt in the matter.
2 separate issues but they need to be discussed. this didn't give officer right to kill him but it all could have been prevented if he just stays in his car.
two things- 1) we actually can't say that first statement definitively. I mean if the officer was willing to mow him down so casually like he did who's to say he wouldn't have done it in the car? in close quarters he might've actually had a better argument for being worried about his safety. and second. its such a small part of a horrible story. who the hell cares. a guy is freakin mowed down by a police officer and you want to point out over and over that he was running? yes we know this. is that the story? NO
you can't continue to bring him and what he was doing up and yet try to make the claim you are not blaming him we aren't little kids you can just say BS to and believe it. We are grown men with the ability to put 2 and 2 together
I think that is a huge stretch to say he would have shot him in the car. the situation would have been under control. it's part of the story whether you like it or not. it doesn't absolve the officer in any way but it is part of the story and shouldn't get lost in what the officer ultimately did.
It wasn't the cop shooting those bullets that led to his death, it was the bullets themselves that pierced his torso and punctured his heart. Pesky bullets. It's like blaming the pavement for killing the guy that jumped out of a building. _
Sure I can, situation could have been prevented in one of two ways 1)suspect complies w/ officer 2)officer does his job(as it appears) #2 is the ultimate reason he is dead but that doesn't get a chance to happen if #1 happens.
are you high or something?!?!? the murderer would've done his job properly if the suspect just stayed in the car. I mean a police officer with the capacity to casually mow down an unarmed suspect usually does his job right unless provoked.. we can make that assumption
If he had just stayed in the car, the cop wouldn't have murdered him. Beautiful. This story does not start in the car. That story ended. Full stop. This story starts when an unarmed man turns and runs away from the cop and the cop readies his weapon in a shooting stance and pulls off 8 shots into his back from a safe 15 yards away. Everything else is irrelevant and a deflection away from the actions being discussed. _
