One more thing, you can see the officers right hand is on the ground and separate from his left hand. So it is a one armed choke. It is of course possible but very difficult to finish a choke with one arm like this. The proper way would be to clasp both hands into a gable grip and squeeze the arms together.
all true but the fact is they did kill him and it all started from selling cigarettes. so inevitably people are going to put 2 & 2 together.. its not a crazy stretch to say that. Also, does it really matter if poor health was the biggest contributing factor? I mean it should've been obvious from the look of him that he was not in the best health and probably not the best idea to forcefully wrap your arms around him..or idk... maybe let go when he was screaming about not being able to breathe? and lets be real. selling cigarettes? the mere fact that it got to that point is stupid.
knowing he wa in poor health he should have decided to cooperate w/ police rather than forcing them to restrain him.
easy for you to say away from the streets... away from daily interaction with police... away from having to sell individual cigarettes to make ends meet
As you pointed out his elbow is too far to apply such pressure right away, and in the video it never gets to the point where his elbow is directly below his chin. A man that big, I don't think he's all that accustomed to being in that position. Nope, because again that Garner thing could have been avoided. You do the right thing, lock him or whatever more than likely those 2 cops don't die. It's about police brutality in which I have already explained to you in previous posts. If that guy was a big white guy, then there is a huge possibility the same outcome still happens. At the same time, I don't know if the police would react the same way to a Caucasian, I really have to ask myself that. Race is part of the issue, wherever you like it or not. To me, you appear to be very sheltered. http://rt.com/usa/216367-nypd-police-officers-shot/ Just one website.
Getting back on topic, what was amazing to me what how slowly "the perp" was running. I mean the cop could have caught up with him just by walking fast. The guy was just jogging. If by some miracle the Cop beats this, there will be hell to pay.
again, the rush to judgment. if the facts come out and the officer is guilty he gets locked up, if the facts support the officer why should there be "hell to pay"? haven't we seen enough cases where it looked one way at the start and ended up another way?
Who says you have to commit a crime to have the police harass you? I pray you never get pulled over by a racist police officer in the middle of the night that had an awful day. Especially with the way you debate on this message board. your mouth certainly would get you in trouble.
Sure, but in this case, the perp got shot in the back multiple times. Or did he...? The "Facts" always seem to support the Police. Its not often you see a Cop cuff a dead man. Then again, I'm sure the video was doctored and the perp was actually running towards the cop in slow motion. I guess the samurai sword and Glock 9mm were edited out before the video was submitted. You gonna believe this Cop or your lying eyes...? I'd bet good money that some would still believe the Cop. We all know how dangerous middle aged black men driving Mercedes Benz's can get. Particularly the ones who were armed forces veterans.
where does most of the so called harassment happen? usually in higher crime areas, right? I live in a very diverse area but a low crime area, I never hear anyone complaining about police harassment.
This was the real madness in the garner case. Our government over taxed cigarettes to the point where it created an illegal black market (no racist) and then designated tax payer dollars towards policing that black market. what the fuck
looks bad, if that facts show it was unjustified and the officer was wrong I am all for him being locked up for life or even the death penalty. this guy may be a great guy but why was he running from the police? something happened w/ that taser, the officer says the man grabbed it. we don't know. if someone grabs a taser I think that would be justifiable to shoot but I don't know all procedures. if someone does please correct me. I don't rush to judgment in these cases.
Yea. The technique displayed would never submit a trained person. However the victim was untrained and very overweight; the easiest type of person to choke in my experience.
Some say, the cop planted the taser on the man as an excuse to allow the shooting. He was running because he was being shot at. Did you see the video? and did you see him drop the taser next to the dead body?
I saw the video, he went back and picked up the taser and appeared to drop it near him but it's clear the taser went off when the two were engaged, the question is how did that happen?
The cop said the man took his taser, why would he need to drop the taser next to the dead body? That makes absolutely no sense. I won't jump into conclusions though.
But the guy was running AWAY from the cop (and at a jogger's pace no less). There's no reason whatsoever to draw a weapon and shoot him let alone in the back. What here would prompt the cop to use deady force? Was it because he was wandering off with the cop's "don't tase me bro" spaghetti sticking out of him? I mean it's not like he took the cop's iPhone6 or something.
