Hey, I'll admit, I loved Sanchez but if you are going to fete Sanchez and shit on O'Brien, I'm sorry, that's a fake fan. _
Some people only equate fortunate success with being great....it's usually the same people who were claiming Tim Tebow should have been starting for the Jets and was a sure fire Hall of Famer, despite the fact he couldn't throw the ball to save his life. The short circuit themselves in to believing that being on a winning TEAM mean they were a hall of famer...kind of like those that argue that Trent Dilfer was great because his team performed so well in the playoffs, most notably the defense. Greatness doesn't come from winning int he post season, some of the best players in sports history never even played on a playoff team.
You're delusional at times, we know that. But again I watched those teams Junc, I watched those games. You blame him for losing against Cleveland. Did you know that he actually did not start that game? Did you know he came in to spark an offense that was faltering despite having broken fingers? Did you know that he had the team up by 10 points with 4 minutes left in the game only to see the defense totally collapse. But yeah, he was the reason the Jets lost the game. Did you know that nearly everyone, and by nearly everyone I mean everyone but you, acknowledges that the offensive line during that time was bad. He's still the 2nd best QB the team has ever had and he's the 2nd most elite QB the team has ever had. Put Sanchez on that 1985 team and they don't get to the playoffs, Sanchez holds the ball even longer than O'Brien did.[/QUOTE] I have never blamed him and him alone for the Cle game- NEVER. that doesn't mean he did anythignt o help us win. came in w/ game tied at 7 I believe and "led" us to 13 pts through final 5 qtrs. but one "drive" was a handoff for a TD so really only led us to 6 pts rest of the game. That's not good enough. He didn't come in to spark an offense, he came in b/c Pat Ryan got HURT or O'Brien never sees the field that day. It was Ryan who came in to spark the offense the week before leading us to a playoff win after 5 straight losses led by Ken(not all his fault but he was the QB and Pat provided a spark for the O which continued until he got hurt the next week). He didn't have the team up by 10, after the D forced a TO Freeman had along TD run to put us up 10. He's not the 2nd best QB we have had, he had one big season in a long career on some very talented teams in a weak AFC.
I have always said Mark didn't play well the 2nd half but no one played well and he was in an impossible spot after Greene went down.
Yeah, The Jets have been snake bit when it comes to QB injuries, Namath getting injured and never being the same after the 1970 season. O'Brien's frequent injuries, and then Pennington's injuries. I do think Pennington really could have been special if he hadn't had the early and frequent shoulder injuries that cost him his zip on the ball.
Sonny Jurgensen and Archie Manning say hi. Do you know the Saints have never given out Bobby Hebert's number since he retired? Oh, no wait, that was Archie Manning. Bunch of clueless "fans" down in Nawlins. _
there is no doubt about that. Joe could have been a real all time great(on the field), O'Brien's career was ruined when he hurt his shoulder, Chad's career was ruined by injuries but durability counts. if those guys are all healthy then our franchise history looks very different and maybe Ken is the 2nd best QB for us- ta least maybe the 3rd best.
Trent Dilfer wasn't great but he was VITAL to the success of that team, no Dilfer and they don't win SB. the average fan thinks a QB has to throw for 300 yds and have a high comp % to be a good QB- anyone else is along for the ride. That's just not the case. Some great players are stuck on bad teams, nothing you can do about that but those on capable teams that didn't get it done rightly get knocked down a peg or 2. Ken was on good teams, should have been able to win at least one playoff game, Peyton should have 3-4 SBs, Favre 2-3, etc...
Good QB's would have carried their team in situations like that. Sanchez played tentative and was more concerned in managing the game instead of leading the team to a win. Comparing Sanchez to O'Brien is ridiculous.
much better QBs w/ much more talent have come up much smaller than rookie Mark w/ no run game and a D that couldn't stop anyone in that game. it is ridiculous, one helped us win 4 playoff games and got us closer to a SB since 1968 and the other w/ more talent in a weaker AFC couldn't win a single playoff game.
I work with a bunch of Patsie fans and I had a few of them agreeing with me that Penny was better than Brady back in 2000. Should have been the all time great NYJ QB--would have surpassed Namath had he stayed healthy. Named my golden Penny after him. _
a healthy Chad and I think we would have seen a SB in the last decade or so. it's typical Jets luck, finally have a franchise QB and he can't stay healthy.
Please, again, someone tell me which one of these guys aren't all time greats for their respective franchises? Not all time great QBs, but all time great for the teams they played for. Every single one of them lost every playoff game they ever played in. Ken O'Brien John Hadl Bert Jones Roman Gabriel Jim Hart Brian Sipe YA Tittle Is there actually a San Diego fan saying Hadl isn't an all time great Charger? A Colts fan? A Cardinal fan? A Browns fan? A Rams fan? A Giant fan? No, just Jet fans. It's why we have the worst fanbase in organized sports. Nobody is saying any of them are great all time QBs (well, except for the guy in the actual Hall of Fame), but for their franchises each one of these guys stands in a pretty lofty position. _
O'brien didn't play because he had broken fingers silly boy, not because he was being ineffective. Prior to breaking his fingers the Jets were 10-1 before injuries set in and O'brien broke his fingers, prior to breaking his fingers he was on a record setting pace doing things that NO other QB had done, not just for the Jets but for ANY TEAM. Ryan started both games of the playoffs because O'Brien was having problems with is broken fingers, he still came in in a tied game and led the team to a 10 point lead with 4 minutes left in the game. The only reason Ryan even started any games was because of the broken fingers of O'Brien. As far as the Ryan beating the chiefs, that was a chiefs team led by Bill Kinney and was one of the leagues worst offenses. The Chiefs defense had been good that year but they broke down in the playoffs, i was living in KC at the time and KC fans were just shocked at how badly the Chiefs had beaten themselves in that game on defense. Kansas City is a city that bleeds Chiefs red, they generally give credit tot he other team playing well when they lose a game, but after that game the chiefs fans were fuming at the play of the defense and blown coverages and horrible tackling. Your claim that Ryan came in to spark the offense is laughable, the genius of Joe Walton tried that in the playoff game of 1985 where he brought in Ryan to try to spark the offense, and ryan did 10-17 for 89 yards a TD and a game fatal pick. If any QB lost the 85 game it was Ryan..but in reality it was the idiocy of Walton that probably cost the Jets the win in 85.
Too funny she tore one ACL 3 years ago and that one healed then she tore the other ACL last summer. She's managing. _
Just about any other QB in football on that team would have won the superbowl. Teams win and lose games Junc, occasionally a single player can be given the lions share of blame in a loss, but rarely. it takes a team effort to win or lose a game.
