Junc's selective QB rating system. First rule - ignore all differences across eras, differences in rules favoring the offense and the QB, personnel surrounding the player ( caveat - unless it helps your argument), that only two teams per league made the playoffs in the 60's (about 1 of 6) and only one team per year played in two postseason games, while 12 of 32 make it today ( less than one of three). Second rule - stats don't mean that much for the players Junc saw play and context means everything, but stats mean everything for those he did not play and context is irrelevant. Third rule. Playoff wins and record are the most important measure of a QB, even more than dozens of regular season games or a SB win. Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, Jake Delhomme, David Woodley, Jeff Hostetler, and Jay Schroeder are among the greatest QBs of all time. P Manning, Marino, Fouts are bums. Fourth rule. When evaluating Namath, interceptions are the most important stat, followed by completion % as compared to today's QBs, 1975-6 were the most telling seasons, and the SB win is tainted because the teams that played in 1968 were all terrible in both leagues. Ignore things like sacks taken and YPA and 1965-1970 completely. Any expert that praised him only did so based on his talent, not results. Fifth rule. When evaluating O'Brien, sacks taken are all that matters followed by playoff wins. Ignore the regular season. Don't even speculate how 1986 would have turned out if half the team weren't injured in December and January. Sixth rule. When evaluating Sanchez, ignore everything other than playoff wins, his six playoff starts are all that matters, add context as much as possible, ignore turnovers and fumbles, ignore the surrounding players, ignore his lack of development, and ignore that he is so clutch and confident that he is choosing to spend his prime as a back up rather than compete for a starting job.
Ken O'Brien is my franchise's all time leader in completions, second all time in touchdowns, second all time in yardage, second all time in attempts, second all time in INT % (for QBs who played more than 12 games), third all time for completion % (for QBs who played more than one year), third all time in QB rating (for QBs who played more than one year). Basically 1, 2 or 3 in every major statistical category. One of only 4 Jet QBs to ever make a Pro Bowl, he and Namath the only ones to do it more than once. But he's not an all time Jet? He's borderline top 5 QB in the franchise's history? That is some weak sauce. _
The other truly intellectually dishonest "stat" is pro rating someone's stats out to figure out, for instance, how many game winning drives said player would have had had they played as long as Namath or O'Brien. If you didn't play as long as Namath or O'Brien, that's on the player. Besides, by that measure Rick Mirer would have had 51 game winning drives if we're being intellectually dishonest. _
I would add rule 7. Even though he would deny it he despises anything to do with the 68 championship team or SB 3 because he was not yet born.
Yep that is the fact Jack. That PO game vs Oakland would be classic if it was a NFL affair instead of a AFL affair IMHO
i got to see the joe namath football life part 2 last night. great show and some good insight into joe. i wasnt around in the 60s and was only 5 when the 70s ended so i wont claim to really know anything more than i have seen in highlights or heard in stories from guys who did see him.
Don't believe what you see with your own two eyes. Only average fans use the eye test. http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/v...st-Throw/277e09ba-79d0-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9 HOF coach Bear Bryant called him the "best athlete" he ever coached. HOF coach Vince Lombardi called Namath the "best pure passer" he had ever seen. HOF coach John Madden said that Namath was the one guy who scared him the most, this after Namath on a MNF game out in Oakland with most of his starting receiving corp out injured lighting up the Oakland secondary. HOF coach Madden also put Namath on his All-Super Bowl team along with Joe Montana and Roger Staubach. HOF coach Bill Walsh called Namath the "most gifted QB" he had ever seen.
I like the "approximate value" chart, it's their statistical reference to who the greatest players in franchise history are. #1 Don Maynard surprising yes but shocking no. Shocking would be Joe Fields being #5 and Mo Lewis being #2. To me it either says we suck as a franchise or we have just had some really awesome guys that played Center but we had Fields, Jim Sweeney, Kevin Mawae and now Mangold. Can we use that luck to find a fucking QB please? Honestly I can't think of any teams that have a better set of players at that position that the Jets have had. We've essentially had one of the best centers in the league for the last 30 years. That's pretty dam impressive.
Impressive list of centers, add Super Bowl John Schmitt to that list, Barry...other than centers we've had impressive team doctors and thats about it...
Yes they certainly were. I was there live & in person that day & was so hoarse after that game that my employer sent me home the next day to recover my vocal chords. 2nd greatest NYJ EVER topped only by SB 3 due to the very importance of that game
He also had the #1 defense and the #1 rushing game. Other than the playoff game in Foxboro, Sanchez was just along for the ride in those other playoff games. To compare him to Namath and O'Brien is ridiculous.
