I'm starting to think that the Titans aren't going to trade down at all, barring some insane RG3 style offer of course. Either they believe Mariota is a starter and they'd be stupid not to take him or they don't think he's a starter and Williams falls into their lap at which point they'd be stupid not to take him. I think an interesting scenario would be if Winston and Williams go 1-2 and then Jacksonville is on the clock with Mariota still on the board. If we are really sold on Mariota we could try and trade up with them to avoid the Redskins from picking him ahead of us or possibly another team trading up to jump ahead of us. I still think trading up is a bad idea, at 6th we should get one of Mariota if he falls, Cooper/White, Fowler or a few other pass rushers or maybe Scherff (seems like that's a bit of a reach for him) or we could trade down a few spots if someone wants to move up to grab one of those guys and probably still get a good OLB or OL.
Jets had enough picks to get Mettenberger and Boyd. No excuse for not having a great draft. If the Jets could have hit on a third of their picks, they'd be in incredible shape, and Idzik wouldnt be a cap guy in Jacksonville. I mean not taking Bridgewater was a terrible mistake. With the amount of picks we had, we could have easily drafted Bridgewater and Pryor. Depending on how IK/Evans/Enunwa/McDougle turn out, we could still salvage Idzik's draft. I have little faith in Evans and Enunwa, but have a bit in IK and McDougle.
That draft was so frustrating last year. I was really hoping the Jets would be able to get Mettenberger last year. Every round he fell I kept thinking that the Jets were going to pick him, but of course that didn't happen. If the Titans grab MM, I'd call to see what they want for Mettenberger.
If'n I had photoshop skillz I'd put "Idzik" instead of "you all" and make that my sig ffffuuuuuccccckkkkkkkk. _
If I had to judge, based on what the Jets have done so far this off season to bolster the WR corp and DB's , they are looking to make this a wining team NOW. No logical sense to take a player that will be a project - and that is what Mariotta is. The only player I can see the Jets trading up to get is Fowler - he is what the Jets need to solve the pass rush woes. He would make an immediate impact from day 1.
Makes no logical sense to add years of mediocrity by not getting your franchise QB now. Every year it's the same mistake. No Carr no Bridgewater no Garappolo no Winning.
To move up 5 spots the Bills had to give up a 1st and 4th and you think they will be able to move up from 6th to 2nd for an extra 3rd or 4th? I sure you have already been mocked for this since I am late to this thread but I think you need to lay off the bottle.
That's because your logic and reasoning are flawed. Mac and Bowles would have to be completely delusional morons to think they could "win it all now." To begin with this team with a brand new CS, new systems on both offense and defense, and many new players isn't going deep in the playoffs with Fitz, Schaub or Geno at QB. To think that it would is absurd. Mac said in his recent press conference that some of his offseason move were to help the team now, and others were with an eye towards the future. Of course, he's going to address holes and try to improve the team and make it as competitive as he could. It was also mandated that he HAD to spend a lot of money in FA. That doesn't mean that he's going "all in" this season and the Jets would have no reason to take a developmental QB, even if that's only what Mariota is, and it isn't. Any Jets fan with half a brain knows that Fitz isn't the answer long term, and that most likely, Geno isn't either. They still need a quality QB. Mariota could be ready to play game 1. We just don't know how quickly he can adapt and learn. I think he probably needs to sit for a while, but perhaps not. Even if he does, he could come in and play at a high level later in the season, or certainly by next year. So to say that it makes no logical sense to take Mariota is just plain wrong and stupid.
In 2009 we traded up for the "raw"-est of raw prospects in Mark Sanchez who just 16 collegiate starts under his belt. That win NOW team came a game away from the Super Bowl in consecutive seasons. From the perspective of just the playoffs, QB was not what kept us from reaching that final game those seasons. More recently RGIII transitioned from the Spread and led a veteran team to the playoff his rookie season. So it's not unprecedented.
Oooof this is wrong on so many accounts. What Mac and Bowles did was necessary to make up ground for what Idzik lost, we HAD to upgrade those positions and they are also adding depth. We aren't a win now team, but we're no longer a laughing stock. But the most important position in all of organized sport is QB and I can't believe they'll be happy with a mentally flawed player, a journeyman and Simms to lead this team into the next decade of Jets football. Almost NO QB comes in day one as a starting franchise QB so to some extent EVERY rookie QB is a "project". But it's not about year 1 for Mariota. It's about years 2-15 that really matter. We're not winning anything this year. But we could next year. Or the year after that and every year thereafter if we strike gold. _
You don't need Photoshop skill to do that just find the original picture without the text and put your own text in there. I'd do it for you but I think you would then owe me some legal advice since there is no pro bono work for digital artists
Rich Cimini ESPN says in an article for Mac not to move up and get MM " it will be a disaster". He is a Jet hater and terrible reporter but declares Mac and Bowles Thursday comments about getting a QB "smoke". I guess it doesnt matter if they said this to throw the ticket holders a bone or they really have intentions to grab him. The pre draft tactics here are getting complicated.
He qualifies that "disaster" comment by saying if the Jets have to give up multiple first round picks ala the Redskins deal for RGIII. That won't happen imo. I'm glad that things are getting complicated. It seems like we finally have a GM who knows how to play the game, unlike the previous dolts we've had at GM.
If you really believe that with all the FA signings made by the Jets this off-season to improve their team - only to draft a very questionable NFL QB that will ride the bench for most of the season ( and I'm being optimistic hear), and to think Mac and Bowles are just thinking about the future, and to hell with what the veterans think then YOUR logic is flawed. We shall see come draft day - but don't be surprised if the Jets pass up on your QB.
Let me get this straight: As you stated, Rich Cimini is a Jet hater.... so we should still all stand and take heed to his omnipotent wisdom and insist that the Jets take MM because of this? Not only is Rich blowing smoke himself but also doing some serious blow...
That team won in spite of Sanchez - although I supported the team in the strategies needed to get them into the playoffs - that team had no QB at all and had to take that risk. Sanchez should have been holding the clipboard that year. Different scenario today - they have 2 QB's that have experience and at are talented. I still think Geno can be a good QB with the right coaching. All he has to do is to reverse his TD/INT ratio. Don't know why you put RGIII into this argument - he's lost favor with the current staff.
The argument is regarding having veteran team having success with a rookie QB. So Both Sanchez and RGIII apply. Winning in spite of or RGII losing favor with current staff has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. Sanchez hate and/or poor reading comprehension has you confused.
We won't trade up because it doesn't seem like we are the least bit interested in Mariota, of course it could all be a smokescreen but it doesn't seem like it. I think a pass rusher will be the pick but I am still hoping for Cooper.
Whatever, dude. The HC and GM don't answer to the players. Mariota is "very questionable" only in yours and a few other Jets fans minds who obviously wouldn't know a good QB prospect if he drilled you in the back of the head with a football. Does he have some questions? Yes, they ALL do, even Luck. QBs don't have to play in year one. Have you just started watching the NFL? I don't mean this as an insult, but really, you sound like you know nothing about the game. Some QBs start day one, others don't and still develop into very good QBs. Mariota may even start day one. GB has a nice little QB that sat for several years before he got his first start, and he's pretty good.
