I wish I shared the optimism over Mariota being the savior but I just can't do it. Don't get me wrong, if he is there at 6 I'm all for taking him and letting him learn for a year or 2. Unfortunately I don't think that's going to be an option, which means Mac will have to trade up. And as much as MM shows promise he also needs a lot of work. The NC game was a disaster for him and highlighted all those areas that will be cause for concern at the next level. Some QBs are simply products of the system. I don't know that MM is but I also don't know that he isn't. That's why I think its foolish to talk about a trade up.
Mac a different breed entirely coming from scouting pedigree with Houston. So gut says a lot better success rate of return. He will try to get us a QB for sure but the real diamonds in the rough will be from later rounds. Count on it.
I do believe he'll be much better in rounds 2 through whatever in finding talent that Idzik just didn't have the ability to spot. I'm glad that whole freaking scouting department is gone. Good riddance. _
Don't know if anyone already posted this, but according to the draft pick value chart, the difference between a first round no. 2 and a no.6 is about 1000 points, which is equal to the approximate value of a mid-round #1 pick, or the approximate value of all the rest of the picks (2,3,4, 5,6 & 7), so a trade could require a swap of picks and maybe a # 1 next year. Of course, that doesn't factor in a bidding war. If it'll cost a swap of ones this year and next year's #1, that's not a major sacrifice, if you believe in Mariota Here's a link to a draft value chart http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php
I agree it's not going to take an RG3 trade up but the draft value chart is an outdated antiquated set of guidelines--not an exact formula. It's not a definitive calculation of what it will take to go from 6 to 2. Too many variables involved in today's draft. _
Agreed. For Mariota, I'd expect the price to be swapping firsts this year & then next year's first or second rounder. QB prospects always increase the trade value.
That's assuming a trade in a vacuum. The reality is there is at least 2 or 3 teams talking potential trade ups and two of those teams have more ammunition than the Jets.
The reality is we don't know if any of that is true. It is just as likely that no or just one other team attempts to trade up.
I am not a fan of Mariota. I'm not a big fan of next years QB class though either, so you have a point. If Cardale Jones comes out next year, I will be excited about him, otherwise, Conner Cook doesn't really get anyone excited right now. I think we just always pick the worst time to suck ass without a QB, when a good QB becomes available, we always find a way to have some kind of mediocre season that never leads to anything. The circle of SOJ. Hopefully Bowles changes that culture shock, again, just without the Ryan effect attached to it.
All the trade action will take place the minute TB makes their selection for Winston or MM. The Jets will NOT repeat last years poor draft selections or inability to land the best QB. Gut says I will not sit there and gag like last year when a Safety???? was taken. The Offensive improvement starts on the 30th and its long overdue with this team. Our defense will be fine ...a pass rusher, a lineman, all can be gotten in later rounds. You get ONE SHOT at number 6 to make a significant acquisition and this opportunity only comes a knockin every few years. Frankly, I am sick of the passivity that posters assume that Winston and MM "will prob be gone" so let's get a WR or OLB blah blah blah. Does Mac strike you as a PASSIVE OR PROACTIVE character? Well it's the later not the former IMO. After a headline draft, for once in 46 years we will all be happy Jet fans. The haters will all think Mac has done a poor job and Geno is the answer but in fact the Team is looking better and better each week. The trend continues come DD.
Ha. I really wanted Bridgewater, but I get the GM not wanting to give on his project after one season (as flawed as it was) but last year watching the draft I kept yelling "Mettenberger you idiot" from that round on...... There's no guarantee he works out either, but at that point take a shot, the other options on the team were Vick & Simms, and his 1st 4th rd pick immediately cut anyway :champface:
The majority of the defense is set through 2016. For 2015, this unit is set to perform very well. Between 2015/2016, the only core player that needs to be resigned is Harrison. The Jets will need to resign Wilkerson, and replace/resign Davis (contract), certainly, but with the franchise tag, one of these deals will hit between 2015/16 and the other will be after the 2016 season. Things are murkier on offense through 2016. At this moment, it's tough to project how many points the offense will score, but things are in place for 2015. In fact, the receiving core, Mangold, and Powell are in place through 2016. Sometime before the start of the 2016 season, the Jets need to acquire a power back(Ivory's deal expires in 2016), replace/restructure LT (Ferguson's deal), secure both guard positions, and, most importantly, upgrade the QB position. All this puts the Jets in a good position to trade up if they believe that Mariota can be their starter for the 2016 season. While the team should prefer to keep its 2016 picks, they shouldn't be valued more than picking a prospect if the FO believes the CS can groom him to this team's leader. TL;DR: Will the Jets move up to #2? If (a) the FO/CS believe in Mariota, and (b) TEN doesn't demand a king's ransom, then yes. But it's all moot because Whisenhunt knows the golen rule, and will take Mariota.
When it comes to QB's there will almost always be offers if it's a thin draft class. The Browns are in even worse shape than the Jets at QB since Manziel has shown absolutely nothing in his time on the field and has already gone to rehab once and been a source of off field controversy so I'd almost wager money they'll be in pursuit, they may not be willing to pay the price in the end but they will be in pursuit that's almost 100% certain. Rumor has it the Browns had offered the Rams one of their first round picks in exchange for Bradford but the Rams wanted a young QB as part of the deal and they weren't taking Manziel. That does put Kelly potentially back in play if he can trade Bradford to the Rams for one of their firsts (as was rumored, so take it with a grain of salt, rather a shaker full of salt). The Saints are rumored to be in the hunt as they appear to want to start moving away from Breese and they also have 2 first round picks this year to play with. In the end how much is paid for a trade up for Mariotta depends on how sold a team is on him. Lets not forget that teams often wind up bidding against themselves in these situations.
I like Mettenberger a lot. I feel the only reason he fell as far as he did was the fact the NFL has fallen so in love with mobile QB's that if you're not mobile you get devalued quite heavily. In today's NFL Marino might not have been taken until the third round because of his lack of mobility, and even a later round possibly if you factor in the drug rumors at the time. IMHO the NFL has fallen too in love with mobile QB's and forgetting that the #1 job of a QB is to throw from the pocket and mobility is a bonus.
