latest nfl.com mock has mariotta to the saints (we take beasley at 6) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/245603 i think it would be pretty surpising for us the titans, skins, us, and cleveland to all pass on him. if that happens i think it says enough as to where we probably wouldnt want him anyhow. id love beasley at 6.
101, some of your points especially your comment regarding progressions and pro style concepts is completely false and a misconception that many others have... this has been broken down ad nauesm by other posters, and I. He has not ran a prostyle offense, but I can show you many many instances on tape where Mariota and Oregon were running pro style concepts. And if the offense includes pro style concepts (which is also found in spread offenses BTW), it sure as hell contains progressions.
Huh? I don't know what you are trying to say, but the issue with progressions and pro style concepts, I brought this up MONTHS ago - well before people actually gave a shit. Now scouts are saying it and everyone is jumping on Mariota. I will continue to bring it up because I am correct, no one has rebuked anything in regards to those 2 issues. It's all on tape.
I EDITED my post a few minutes ago, you responded to my orginal post. But I can show you many instances on tape where Mariota and Oregon ran pro style concepts.
Did you watch the FSU game also? We are watching the same tape. The video you posted talks about the Oregon offense. What does the Oregon offense do? The offense is predicated on racing against the opponent to the next snap based on where the defenders are - that will not fly at the next level. NFL players are too smart, and they are too athletic and fast. There are no pro concepts - they prob run the same play with different variations over and over again. Screen here, read option here, maybe a cut swing pass. Manual and Alex Smith aren't franchise QB and we should not strive to look for a QB that plays similar to them. We will not win anything playing too safe. The footwork issue, still to me is an issue BTW. However, I did say everything Mariota is going against can be developed - no doubt. Does it translate to the field? I am unsure. At least there's an endorsement on my end. Months ago, I wouldn't say a positive thing about the guy.
http://turnonthejets.com/2015/03/deep-dive-the-truth-behind-marcus-mariota/ These are just a few examples, and I've personally seen Oregon run many many pro concepts such as HI Lo crossers, the snag concept, etc. Double Y over (play mentioned in Gruden's camp), is also a pet play of Chip Kelly's, Chip usually has the Y run a dig, slant, or some other crossing route across the field. And many other teams run similar concepts and plays to Double Y Over. So to say Oregon's offense doesn't contain pro style concepts is false. If you are not sold on Mariota as a potential franchise Quarterback that's fine, because I share similar thoughts on Mariota's game, despite being one of his supporters.
Oregon Progressions. 1. Where are the defenders? 2. Get the football away from the majority of the defenders. There are no pro style concepts at Oregon. Those progressions are as weak as watered down Gas. Like I mentioned, plenty of times where Mariota didn't have to run, but he ran anyway. BTW, I've seen that tape a few times before - I'm still not that impressed. He's very good at throwing on the run, that's what I get from it. The more I watch his tape, the more I see the same formations over and over again. There's no consistency. We didn't even talk about him missing throws down the field yet. Wide open.
101, as I said before you are sorely mistaken if you believe Oregon's offense or any spread offense for that matter, does not contain pro style concepts. Formations have very little to do with pro concepts... the Patriots and Florida State Seminole run pro style concepts running a variety of sets in the shotgun, such as a 3 by one formation and spread I formations. I'm not here to "sell" you on Mariota or change your opinion on Mariota, but your statement regarding prostyle concepts is just false and the biggest Mariota detractors will you this as well. Just read the article I posted.
Very good post. I am a Mariota skeptic but it's football based posts like this and others you are posting that I respect a lot. I have no doubt they have had Mariota make NFL style throws at Oregon and NFL routes.. I get that completely. My concern is NFL style decision making. I'm not pounding my desk over progressions like 101, although its a concern, but it's a matter of finding the right progressions when there isn't an obvious choice, which I am not sure that occurred too much in Mariota's college tenure. Going through your reads, if you have too, is a lot easier when one of them is very obviously wide open. It allows you to quickly make decisions. In an offense where they quickly ran up to the line, and he was able to quickly & easily identify the right read (because of sheer talent around him, scheme, lack of defense) its easy for a QB to develop a rhythm. He is a great rhythm passer/QB. In the NFL he won't be afforded those luxuries though. The reads will be less obvious. The defenses will way better than he's used to.. He will face pressure and blitzes that will knock off his rhythm so much. I'm not saying he doesn't have the ability to respond accordingly. I'm simply saying I have big concerns about that with him. Winston and Hundley have black marks on their resume but both have shown they had the ability from time to time to respond when their whole system / rhythm went to shit.
13:07 Left in the 2nd quarter vs Ohio State (National Championship) Oregon lines up in 11 personnel, and runs a slant route off of a rub of the stack receiver to the QB’s front side. Mariota opens up to his left towards the flat 7 combo by the TE and flanker, but is able to quickly work his way all the way back across the field and deliver a strike to the receiver running the slant route. On this play you see some great movement in the pocket to help the G mitigate the pressure from the DT and great footwork and accuracy in delivering the ball.
I remember watching that play specifically and being seriously impressed. However that was an atypical play, most of his career at Oregon he didn't have to work across the field like that, work his progressions or show patience in the pocket. Most of the time at least one of his initial 2 reads were open or he could take off for a big gainer. That was a shining star play though, encouraging that he showed he could do that.
Hundley??? The way Hundley responded to "when [his] whole system / rhythm went to shit" was by getting sacked. The way Mariota responds to pressure is his best quality. He has the best movement skills in and out of the pocket in this class. Up until the latter part of the season his oline was decimated by injuries and playing poorly. How he performed through this adversity is what pulled off the sidelines as a Mariota skeptic to riding shotgun on his bandwagon. Note I'm not driving the wagon as I know there are way bigger Mariota fans on this board than me.
I agree with the bold ONLY through the 2013 season. In 2014 there were plenty of examples of him making pro caliber reads and going through progressions.
I also share these concerns as well, and although I believe Mariota can/will translate to the next level, it's not something I can guarantee. Concerns such as this is one of the many reasons why I simply cannot agree with poster, who call Mariota a "sure thing", or a QB who has no chance at busting. He has gone through progressions, and complex reads to a certain extent at the college level, so IMO, it's not a question of whether he can do it at all, my question is if he can do it consistently at the NFL level with 300 pound linemen collapsing the pocket. And although I'm a fan of his, questions such as this cannot be answered and that's why I personally will not be upset if the Jets brass decide to pass on him..
And the entire NFL thought Brady was a bum too which is why he went in the 6th round..sometimes you just have to roll the dice..especially when the opportunities are few and far between. Shit, we wasted first round picks on Sanchez, Milliner, Pryor, Coples and a host of others. The risk there was far greater than it is here.
I firmly believe that in BG (Before Geno), a QB prospect with Mariota's measurables, intangibles and production would have had almost unanimous support among Jets fans. Pending the release of his Wonderlic score he'll likely satisfy the all important 26-27-60 rule. Outside of Luck, it really doesn't get any better than that. Unfortunately, Geno and fear of the Spread has created huge cloud of doubt over his head by Jets fans.
I'm all for drafting Mariota if he's available at pick six(I still think he's going to be a very very good NFL QB), but I do have concerns. And that's not a knock on Mariota, because I'm not completely sold on any QB coming out this year.
Maybe it's just me but Winston staying on the straight and narrow in NYC gives me more agida than Mariota being able to run a pro-style offense.
In truth I'm not either which is why I said you just have to take a chance. If our defense is as good as everybody seems to think it will be we won't be drafting 6th again anytime in the next 5-8 years. We are not getting to a SB without a good QB no matter how good everybody else is, Sanchez proved that in 09 and 10. This may be our only chance and the upside on taking a QB at 6 is far better than taking any defensive player out there..sort of another JJ Watt maybe.
