2015 New York Jets Roster Situation

I didn't realize the Jets were considering adding a commodities trade to play QB. j/k

Seriously, I disagree that the Jets need a typical dropback or pocket passer. That's not the type of offense that Gailey normally runs.

We agree that Mariota probably shouldn't be starting by week 8, but I think he is exactly what the Jets need at QB. So what if he sits for a year? That's why they traded for Fitz and they have Geno. Under the circumstances, that't the best they can do to address the QB position.

 

Of the moves we made, we're obviously trying to win now. But I don't think we're ready to win now. We need to just develop the team, much to the dismay of NY, since we are so inpatient. But that's how Great teams are made. Teams signing all the FA's don't win Imeidately the ones that build do. Look at Seattle, Carolina, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota looks to be great in a couple years, Baltimore. Now yes they all have QBS miles better than Us, but how many free agent splashes do they make? Not a whole lot. Now look at Denver, New Orleans. Spent a lot of money last year, and they were just failed expectations and now they are potentially in cap hell and currently rebuilding. Never build through FA unless you are one missing piece away. I feel like we're going to be rebuilding very soon again.

 

I don't look at all the FA signings as a move to "win now," but rather trying to make the team as good/competitive as they can, and having to spend a lot of money, because they haven't spent it in the previous two years. Mac is no fool. He knows that teams don't win without excellent QB play. Adding Marshall, Revis, Cro, Gilchrist, and the other FAs is great and should definitely have the team playing at a higher level. I think that Mac and Bowles are just trying to set the stage and let the team and fans know of the level/caliber of play that they expect from the team each and every season. I still think that Mac intends to build the team through the draft. It's like several posters have said, however, no team takes 6 years to rebuild any more. Now teams have to rebuild more quickly, and on the fly, as it were. This team is still a LONG way from being a true SB contender imo. For one thing the OL and QB play are still big question marks. For another, how long will it take for players to learn the new systems, and then be able to play from instinct without having to think too much? How will all the new parts mesh? Will some of the FAs thrive or at least survive in the glare of NYC/NJ?

I expect the team to be a tough "out" this year and very competitive. I think they have an outside shot at making the playoffs if all goes well, they have a good draft, and all the new FAs fit in well and things coalesce quickly. I think that anyone who thinks that Mac thinks he has built this team to win "now" is deluding himself.

 

It seems as if he is trying to win now. This team isn't built to win now because of course we haven't had a Pro Bowl Caliber QB for quite some time. Question marks at Pass rushers/OLBs, still terrible Guard play with a declining O line. And possibly some questions as to whether Ivory and Powell can fit in Chan's system. Yes teams need to build on the fly. I agree. There isn't a 6 year project to rebuild a team, especially with the new CBA rules where drafting a player early sets you back if they don't pan out. Look at Seattle took them maybe 2-3 years before they became contenders. Minnesota was terrible two years ago, and now they look like the team of the future. This is the path I'm saying we should take. I understand making some of these moves. But Carpenter, Gilchrist? I did not understand these signings as they're both below average and we're giving them an average of 5.5 minor around that number. That was unnesssecarry money spent that we could've addressed throught the draft or fill another need ( Like pass rusher). I have Faith in Mac's scouting skills. I think he can be a terrific GM. We just have to see in the future. The team can possibly be competitive but I don't see us getting over 8-8 imo.

 

I don't think any GM or coach has a 5 year plan. Look at Idzik. I think it is keep one eye on the clock and one eye on the future.

 

You don't see the team going over 8-8, yet you say it seems that Mac is trying to win now? Do you realize how little sense that makes? Are you really that arrogant as to think you know more than Mac? You must think he's stupid and you're a genius to claim he's trying to win now, yet you see only 8-8. Do you think he looks a the Jets OL, QB situation, OLB position, TE position, lack of depth at ILB and sees 13-3 or something? I mean seriously, dude. Mac is just trying to improve the team. 8-8 would be a 100% improvement over last year.

Do you know more than Mac and Bowles as to what the true talent and potential of these players are and how they might fit into the Jets new systems? I think not. The Jets did go after both Franklin and Iupati at OG, did they not? I don't understand why they seemingly didn't try to sign Boling, but for all we know Mac talked to Boling's agent and was told that Boling planned to re-sign with Cinncinati and/or had no interest in coming to the Jets. Carpenter is a better pass blocker than run blocker. That is more important in protecting the QB. He's young. EVERY team was overpaying in FA. That's how it goes. Because the Jets have been so bad the last few years, and had a rookie HC and GM, some FAs probably didn't want to sign with the Jets unless they were overpaid. At least Mac did something to address the OG spot. Would you have preferred that he did nothing?

Gilchrist has played FS, SS and CB. I don't know of another single DB in the NFL who has done that. He gives Bowles great flexibility in the secondary. Based on everthing I've read about Bowles, he likes a lot of DBs, and likes to mix, match and move players around depending upon whom they're playing that week. Who else would you have preferred the Jets sign at FS? Rahim Moore? He isn't that good and I didn't see a bunch of teams knocking his door down. Would you have preferred he did nothing?

What pass rusher would you have signed? How do you know that Mac didn't want to sign Worilds, then Worilds decided to retire? McPhee has never been a starter, and was way overpaid imo. What other great pass rushers were there out there? The draft is loaded with pass rushers.

The Jets had tons of holes. Most of us knew there was no way the Jets could fix them all in one year, or even fix all the ones he did attempt to fix, perfectly. You know, there are other teams involved, and some players may not want to live and play in NJ. Mac was very aggressive and by everything I've seen tried very freaking hard. He HAD to spend a TON of money. I'm sure that he would have rather had Franklin or Iupati than Carpenter, but it wasn't to be.

You don't know what was unnecessary money, none of us do, so please save it.

You sure don't sound as if you have any faith in Mac with questioning who he signed and how much he paid them. The way your post reads it's like you're some genius who thinks he should be working for an NFL team and Mac doesn't have a clue what he's doing. A few lame disclaimers at the end don't disguise or hide that.

I'm not saying that it's not ok to wonder or question, but you go beyond that imo. Mac is a rookie after all. He may have made a mistake or two. He's human after all. At least at this point, I think he's done a great job and done about as well as could be expected. I never in a million years would have expected him to be able to sign all the DBs that he did, trade for Marshall, get Fitz, and improve depth and competition at OG.

 

"He looks like he is trying to build a win now team that will ultimately fail due to other glaring needs... Not sure if you read that

 

I saw that, but for him to fail to see those glaring needs and to think he could win now, would mean that he's utterly incompetent.

 

1. Gilchrist plays mostly SS only one start at FS in the past 2 seasons.
2. Rahim Moore was the 2nd best FS on the market in FA behind McCourty, not Gilchrist.
3. He did address OG yes, but what Iupati, or Franklin was getting paid he could've forked over a bit more to them to possibly persuade them
4. McPhee finished with one of the best pass rushing grades, he notched 40 QB hurries and 9 Sacks. Would you rather have Pace and Babin who get limited hurries?
5. I do have faith in Mac, I'm just saying he's making some mistakes, hopefully that's not going to be costly. Carpenter isn't worth the near 20 million dollar contract we gave him and neither is Gilchrist imo. The only players who got the money they deserved were our 3 corners we signed. I believe Mac will address the needs in the Draft.
6. We could've pursued Orakpo, McPhee, BRandon Graham, Jabaal Sheard, All are pretty good pass rushers, and I haven't heard one of their names in discussions with the jets. We have been just throwing water on the fire at the OLB position for awhile now by signing minimum impact vets, instead of extinguishing it by getting us a solid pass rusher (which haven't had in a while).
7. That's all I'm doing now is wondering. I'm just hoping everybody can succeed. Mac has been on the money so far with just a few wondering moves. That's all I'm saying.
8. Yes 8-8 is a big improvement from 4-12. But the money we dished out, I would like a more guaranteed competitive team (which we are) but arguably we are still 4th in the division (arguably) I honestly think we're 3rd.
9. I'm not saying I know more than Mac. There's a reason to why he's the GM and I'm not I'm just giving it off my opinion, and from what other fans have told me.

 

i get the feeling we tried to pay franklin an iupati top coin but other factors came into play, namely iupati mentioned that he wanted to stay closer to home, things like that. money isn't everything turns out

also carpenter and gilchrist are in pretty good deals when you look at their guarantees. both are cuttable as soon as next year, they're good deals, very team friendly.

though Cro and Harris got couple mill more than they're worth, where it counts too.

 

I know Gilchrist deal is a very team friendly deal I think he makes what 3.5 this year iirc. I haven't heard about Carpenters deal and what's he making year 1 and 2. Yes Harris was overpaid badly but we needed to keep him from BUF.

 

1. & 2. I can't speak to why the Jets pursued Gilchrist over Moore. My guess is his flexibility. In another thread, somebody posted the number of snaps that Gilchrist had taken at each of those three positions. If memory serves me correctly, he took hundreds of snaps at each position. Who says that Moore was the #2? Rotoworld? Some media "expert"? For whatever reason, Mac didn't think Moore was the #2 FS prospect, or he didn't think that Moore fit their D.
3. Again, you're being ridiculous. Mac did offer more money and they turned him down. Both wanted to stay on the West Coast. You're saying that he could have done "this" or done "that" and you have no clue what you're talking about. You're going way past just saying you have some questions or doubts. You're saying definitively that he "could" or "should" have done something different.
4. I've been screaming for the Jets to upgrade the OLB position for years, but I'm going to trust for now and wait and see what happens. How do you know that Mac didn't talk to McPhee's agent and was told that McPhee had no interest in signing with the Jets? OLBs salaries can escalate quickly. Maybe in an effort to help keep costs down at that position, he's planning on drafting an OLB or two in the draft, rather than signing an expensive vet. Again, Mac may have planned to sign Worilds. Orakpo is old and expensive and hasn't been able to stay healthy. I wouldn't have wanted him. Graham and Sheard are not all that, but personally I didn't want Revis back, and would rather one of them had been signed. I would have preferred for the Jets to sign Cro and Culliver or another CB and sign an OLB. The thing is, the more I've read about Bowles D, the more I see how important DBs are in Bowles' system. I like Bowles and am glad we have him, but he wasn't my first choice. I didn't want another HC who obsesses over CBs. I wanted a HC who would have perhaps focused more on the OLB positions. I didn't get what I wanted. I can accept that. I'm going to root for Bowles and hope his way will work. Maybe after all the money they spent on DBs and securing some depth for the DL and perhaps ILB, they didn't think they could spend money on an OLB, and instead needed to spend it on offense. I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out. If Mac doesn't draft a topnotch OLB, then I'll have questions and not be happy.
5. At this point, you can't say that he's making "mistakes." You can say that you think he's made some mistakes, but you can't flat out say that he has made mistakes. No one knows how things will work out.
6. see #4
7. If you're just "wondering" then it's your writing/English skills that need some work, because they way you've stated things doesn't read as if you're just wondering.
8. There are NO guarantees. You haven't seen how Bowles works or Gailey works or have any idea what they have in mind. The players they signed could be perfect and the players you wanted may not have fit their system. This isn't just "wondering." This is saying that you know better than Mac and would have done a better job.
9. Again, if you're just stating your opinion, then you could/should say "imo" to make it clear that you aren't stating things as "facts." You could ask questions about the moves, not talk about them as if they are already "mistakes."

 

1 & 2. Moore was pretty much the consensus #2 FS on the Market. Him or Searcy. Gilchrist didn't garner any attention from any other teams besides the Jets which has me a little worried about whether he's a quality player or not. I've had a couple of my friends who are chargers fans saying that wasn't a good move, or maybe he'll be better for the jets, and has me skeptical about the signing imo.
3. All we had so far on Mac and Iupati/Franklin are that we were pursuing them and that's it. How do you know Mac offered more money? We're you there in contract negotiations? But I have no idea what I'm talking about but you do? And I'm the arrogant one? No offense that seems like a dick move right there.
4. Even if he didn't pursue McPhee, you're trying to tell me he couldnt have pursued any of the other guys I mentioned? Because both are a whole lot better than what we have right now in Babin and Pace. Especially for the price tag Pats picked up Sheard from. Sheard is much better than what we have imo. He didn't have to sign 2 of the options he could've taken just one and I would've been happy with that, but instead now there's a real possibility that we'll be going into the season once again with ineffective pass rushing OLBs.
5. See #4. That's most likely a mistake. And a signing of Carpenter's caliber for nearly 20 mil (not sure how much he is making year 1), is probably another goof move imo. I'm pretty sure we could've found a better option for cheaper. Same with Gilchrist.
7. My English/writing is completely irrelevant to the topic we are discussing. Next
8. If you watched some of the games they have coached in Arizona and Buffalo respectively, you kind of get an idea of what you are getting out of these two guys. Where did I say I know better than Mac? You keep bringing this up. I have never once said that nor ami I acting like that. I'm making suggestions.
9. Not sure if you noticed but I bave been saying IMO most of the time

 

1. & 2. Gilchrist may turn out to be a mistake, but Mac and Bowles are obviously knowledgeable football men. I'm sure that they had a sound reason for signing Gilchrist and not Moore.
3. Wrong. A day or two after they signed elsewhere, posters posted links to some articles stating what I posted. I don't make up shit. I stick to facts or what is presented as facts. I don't know 100% for certain that Mac offered them both more money, but articles stated that he had offered them more money, but they wanted to sign elsewhere.
4. I didn't say that Mac "couldn't" have pursued OLBs, just that he chose not to for reasons unknown, and that I'm choosing to trust him at the moment until he proves that he's not trustworthy. As I said, if he doesn't draft an OLB in the first 2-3 rounds, I will not be pleased. I would have preferred that he signed an OLB, but I'm not going to start doubting his knowledge or plan unless or until the season begins and he still hasn't done anything to address the OLB position. Even then, it may be premature. It may seem like things won't work well with Coples, Babin and Pace, but maybe, just maybe, with the way Bowles plays his defense Pace, Babin and Coples will do just fine. We really won't know for sure how his moves and non-moves work out until the upcoming season is over.
5. Whatever.
7. That's where you're wrong and will continually have troubles on this list. Clear communication is important and a skill to be developed. We're not mind readers. We can only go by what you write, and the way you have written doesn't say that you are just "wondering" or have questions. It says that you're right and Mac is wrong. I've been reading and posting on Jets boards for over 15 years and am a published author. I may not know everything about football, but writing I KNOW, and you're wrong.
8. You are NOT making suggestions. The fact that you keep saying that you are shows how clueless you are. I would have had no reason to respond and take issue with what you said, if you were just wondering. Other posters here have had questions about some of Mac's moves, and I haven't taken issue with them. As I said, I have questions, too, I'm just waiting to see how things work out rather than panicking and voicing all my concerns now.

I saw the "imo's" in your last response, but don't recall seeing any earlier. If I missed them, then my apologies, but I went back and looked and couldn't find a single one. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just stating that I think it's way too early to be making any definitive statements about mistakes that Mac has made. If that's not what you're saying, then great, we have no problem.

Further, if Gilchrist doesn't play well here and Rahim Moore plays very well wherever he signed, then I and others will probably join you in saying Mac made a mistake here. It would be interesting to hear his rationalization/logic for pursuing Gilchrist rather than Moore, or someone like Louis Delmas or Kendrick Lewis, who while not great, are true FSs.

 

Is Hillard any good? I'm not going to pretend to know anything about lineman from the Detroit Lions

 

They didn't sign him to be a starter.