great players make their names in the playoffs. Playoff stats Most pass completed 1. Tom Brady 683 2. Peyton Manning 598 3. Brett Favre 481 4. Joe Montana 460 5. Dan Marino 385 6. John Elway 355 7. Donovan McNabb 341 8. Jim Kelly 322 9. Troy Aikman 320 10. Kurt Warner 307 Most pass attempts 1. Tom Brady 1,085 2. Peyton Manning 935 3. Brett Favre 791 4. Joe Montana 734 5. Dan Marino 687 6. John Elway 651 7. Donovan McNabb 577 8. Jim Kelly 545 9. Troy Aikman 502 10. Steve Young 471 most pass yards 1. Tom Brady 7,345 2. Peyton Manning 6,800 3. Brett Favre 5,855 4. Joe Montana 5,772 5. John Elway 4,964 6. Dan Marino 4,510 7. Kurt Warner 3,952 8. Jim Kelly 3,863 9. Troy Aikman 3,849 10. Terry Bradshaw 3,833 most pass TDs 1. Tom Brady 53 2. Joe Montana 45 3. Brett Favre 44 4. Peyton Manning 38 5. Dan Marino 32 6. Kurt Warner 31 7. Terry Bradshaw 30 8. John Elway 27 9. Joe Flacco 25 10. Roger Staubach 24 most game winning drives 1. Tom Brady 9 2. John Elway ` 6 3. Joe Montana 5 Eli Manning 5 5. Dan Marino 4 Terry Bradshaw 4 7. Drew Brees 3 Dan Fouts 3 Ben Roethlisberger 3 Ken Stabler 3 Kurt Warner 3 Russell Wilson 3 most comebacks 1. Tom Brady 6 2. Joe Montana 5 3. Eli Manning 4 John Elway 4 Terry Bradshaw 4 6. Dan Fouts 3 Dan Marino+ 3 Ken Stabler 3 Russell Wilson 3 10. Drew Brees 2 most playoff wins 1. tom brady 21 2. Joe Montana 16 3 Terry Bradshaw 14 John Elway 14 5 Brett Favre 13 6 Troy Aikman 11 Roger Staubach 11 Peyton Manning 11 9 Ben Roethlisberger 10 Joe Flacco 10
matt cassel also won 10 games with another organization. 10-5 with 27tds and only 7ints with much worse lineup. so cassell isn't a complete donkey like colts backup QBs. and belichick had losing records before he had brady.
Look its clear your mind is never getting changed here I'm not wasting my time, you know the saying about opinions, the last thing I'll bring up about this debate is how many coaches did Manning have compared to Brady?
that's not a great way to pick the GOAT. Peyton brings stability to the team. and he makes everyone around him better. but the objective is to win the SB. peyton's inability to win the big game hurt his GOAT candidacy. and his style of play makes his team soft. it's been proven. the precision passing offense works against 95% of the NFL. but when they face tough D, they collapse. because when you start a franchise with peyton manning you are also hiring him as your offensive coordinator. when teams have peyton manning - teams try to build a team around him. when you have brady? you build the team around the team. with brady, i'll just focus on building a championship caliber team by upgrading the D.
Title of the thread is greatest QB, Manning brings much more to the table at the QB position than Brady, its that simple, you continuing to bring up team statistics will not change that. Brady is an all time great QB, he's also had an all time great HC his entire career, you can't just ignore that fact.
brady had numerous Ocoords and all types of different offenses. brady adapted to any situation and was successful. BB doesn't run the offense. he let his ocoord and his QB to their thing. peyton manning? doesn't matter how many coaches he had. he is the offensive genius. he is the ocoord. i've said it many times, but peyton the ocoord bring peyton the QB down. his own great genius is his downfall. many say 'if peyton manning had BB he would've been awesome!'. i disagree. if peyton manning has BB, then there is no BB or peyton manning. IMO, their egos will clash. Brady was the 6th rounder and he had to listen to coach. just look at how pats get rid of brady's friends or fav weapons. brady doesn't even have a say. Peyton is a heralded QB. He would've been above BB who wasn't a SB winning coach at the time. it's always peyton's team. peyton is the king of the organization, not the coach.
your argument doesn't hold any weight because brady has brought more success to his team then peyton did to his team. Quarterbacking is not about QB ability. i bet matt stafford has better throwing ability than 37 year old aging brady does. QBing is about successfully accomplishing teams main objective. QB is the general of the team. General is to lead the troops to the victory. what is every 32 NFL teams' main objective? throwing the most TD? making the exciting passing attack? winning the most regular season games? winning the most MVP? the main objective is to win. it's all about WINNING. you play to win the game. you play to win the big one. hoist that trophy. QB is the ultimate ambassador to his team. and their job is to WIN. WIN, WIN, WIN. because if they don't win guess what happens? they get fired from the team. if brady doesn't win, BB sit his a$$ down and let the young kid who looked great in the preseason start over him. if QBs don't win, they get their coaches fired. if they don't win fans stop caring. if they don't win media don't care about them. not just win, but win the big one. go to broncos forum and ask who would they take peyton or elway? or even peyton or brady. they are already tired of peyton not winning the big one for them.
let's stay on topic. we aren't talking about scrubs. we are comparing great players vs. great players. and when you compare the greats, wins matter the most. dan fouts was great at throwing football. nobody ever mentions him in the GOAT conversation. i think it's reasonable say peyton became too powerful for his own good. sometimes it's easy to just 'do your job'. peyton the master mind has too much job description. he is a company man, qb, and ocoord. if was a skinny dude who got picked 199th, maybe his ego wasn't so big. maybe he will just be the QB and let coaches do their job. but peyton is a football loyalty and probably the greatest offensive mind ever walked on earth. so it's natural for him to take over the offense. he really is the lebron james of football. just watch how he transformed denver to 'peyton manning offense'. it's not a coincidence. I love watching peyton manning too. dude is brilliant. but that great passing attack just doesn't work against the top defense.
Holy shit guy you said WIN about 10 times in your last post so I thought that's where you wanted to go, winning Superbowls is the only thing that matters when judging QBs apparently, coaching and teams mean nothing, only wins.
because that's the ultimate objective. if the goal is to make your eyes happy, then go with peyton manning. he will win games and make your eyes happy because he will throw TDs. but trust me, you aren't getting just the QB when you get peyton manning. he brings his style of play and ultimately the team will build a team around him. so you will get more than peyton manning's football ability. and honeslty, you can't really get into hypotheticals. you need to look at QBs career and define him from what he did, but not what he can do for your team or any other team. so your question of starting which QB to lead a franchise is fundamentally wrong. in basketball, many GMs will say they would rather have shaq, hakeem, and any top 4-5 centers over MJ to start a franchise. but that doesn't mean they are better than MJ.
when did i say tom brady is michael jordan? lol but in a way, tom brady dominated the league almost as good as michael jordan dominated his. yes michael went 6-0, but it's much easier to dominate the NBA because basketball is 5 on 5 and the best team always wins because they play in a 7 game series. in football? you have a bad day then you are done. NFL playoff is a chaotic business. it ain't march madness chaos, but pretty close. i think what brady has done is remarkable because MJ had a God Given physical and mental talent. It's easy to dominate when you can jump higher, run faster, and just so much physically more gifted than the guy you are playing against. brady? we all know he isn't the most gifted physical specimen. brady dominates the game with his brain. it's all mental. yes, he can make all the throws. he is 6ft 4 and all that. but he is average football specimen. If brady had Calvin Johnson body, then that would be MJ like.
24 minutes of brady throwing TDs watch brady's long bombs to randy moss. when you have randy moss, brady just trusts him and throws to his direction. and usually randy moss catches the bomb. things get easy when you have such a dominant weapon. i'll emphasize this again - brady lost 2 absolute peak years due to injury. brady could've had 3 year marriage with randy moss instead of 1. again, i don't count 2009 brady because he was awful that year coming from a major injury.
Greatest american athletes of all time not in order ali jordan gretsky babe tiger and when brady wins his 5th, brady will be right in that mix. gotta win #5 though. gotta be the absolute clear cut #1 football player in the history of the sports. and brady has a great chance to be that. and i get that MJ is treated like a god. the deification of MJ is actually very interesting marketing case study. he is no doubt the greatest. but the media and fans make MJ an absolute untouchable god of sports. i find that very funny because kareem and bill russell has every right to be called the GOAT as well.
Greatest QB means greatest player. there is a reason why QBs win the mvp almost every year. and they say QB is the toughest position to play in all sports. let's hypothetically say pats wins more SBs - leading a 2nd dynasty. yes, it's a major if, but if anybody can do it then it's the pats. Imagine brady going to 7th SB. hell maybe his 8th at the age of 40 and wins the mvp. Brady would be crowned as the greatest player. not just the greatest QB ,but the greatest player in the NFL history.
