Response Part 2 You make some very good points in the paragraph which I've italicized, but as you say, that's not a unique knock on Mariota. He can't help the system in which he played in college. He learned that system, mastered it, and ran with it. How many college QBs can make that claim? How many college QBs these days, mastered their line protections and audible at the LOS? Sure Mariota has more value to Kelly and the Eagles. Kelly knows him better than anyone. Kelly's system is perfect for Mariota. That doesn't mean we should just let Kelly have him. Chan Gailey is known for developing his QBs, getting the most out of them, and adapting his system to the talents of his QBs/players. He runs somewhat of a spread system anyway. I agree that if you have major doubts about a player, then you don't take him, but I don't think the Jets should have major doubts about Mariota. Learning the drops, fixing footwork, taking snaps from under center and huddling an offense are not rocket science. I think that most of us could learn those things with enough practice and time. The one thing I could see them having questions about is his ability to read Ds and go through his progressions, since most of the time the pass plays at Oregon were designed to go to the first read. I believe that there is enough evidence of Mariota audibling, and going to secondary receivers to allay those fears. The Jets could also get a very good read on Mariota's abilities in that regard by spending some film time with him and time on the board and see how he responds. Supposedly Schottenheimer did that with Sanchez and was blown away. I don't think Gailey would be fooled like Schottenheimer was. It's fine that we disagree. I just appreciate and am enjoying the dialogue.
If Mariotta falls to 6, the only condition I trade that pick away is if: 1) the Jets don't believe in him as a franchise caliber QB AND 2) the Eagles (or whoever) are willing to break the bank for him. QB is the Jets biggest single need, period. No amount of stockpiling is worth punting on a potential franchise QB. If the Jets believe Mariotta can be the guy, even if it requires he ride the bench for a few years, then you take him and don't look back. Missing on a franchise QB that is sitting in their laps would be a great way to bring an early end to the new regime's tenure.
are you kidding? The Redskins traded their 2012, 2013, and 2014 1st round picks just to hop up from number 6 to number 2. If chip kelly wants to go from #20 to #6, he will need to at least offer 2015 1st, 2016 1st, 2017 1st, and maybe throw in foles.
I know some of these guys are killing me with this first this year, next year and Foles garbage. If we settle for anything less than 3 firsts I will be disappointed. Not to mention don't you think if they were going to trade with the Skins then the Skins wouldn't be asking for at the very least what they gave up a few years ago to move up just a couple spots? Otherwise they will look like fools for doing in a few years ago.
Depending on the QB can absolutely be just a QB away from being a good team. History has shown great QB's can make bad teams good.
The falcons traded Brett Favre so he must have sucked. It's common sense. Believing a specific QB is better for your team doesn't equate to another QB being bad. That's not common sense, just logic.
He's a Tebot. He does not value the QB position. You don't build a team and hope to luck into mythical franchise QB "later". That's a backward plan. You get your QB when the opportunity presents it. _
Fran Tarkenton was traded. So was Steve Young. Joe Theisman. Super Bowl winning Brad Johnson, who Foles probably is most similar to in quality. Clearly it isn't an anomaly for good QBs to be traded.
IF you are looking at someone like Andrew Luck, who was basically an NFL passer in college, sure. With most other QB "prospects", bringing them into a crappy team and throwing them to the wolves will stunt their development and possibly get them injured. Tim Couch was a freakishly good prospect. He got killed in Cleveland. Carr was a good prospect. He got destroyed in Texas. It's difficult to impossible for a young QB to develop and learn the game when he's getting killed in the pocket. He can't learn to go through progressions in game situations when he doesn't have time to stand there and do it. With someone like Luck or Manning, that isn't as much a concern as they were already adept at doing those things. All they needed to do really was catch up with the speed of the NFL game and avoid injuries.
Nick Foles is worth no more than a 4th round pick IMHO. That means 2 first rounders and foles is too little to trade from #20 to #6 for who they think will be a franchise QB for them. It's either 3 first rounders or 2 first rounders, this year's 2nd, next years' 2nd, and foles.
3 1st round picks, 2nd round this year and next year, and Nick Foles (or even a roster player like Kendricks).
A trade with the eagles would be high risk. Chance of high failure or high success. If Mariota turns out to be an amazing QB, that most likely means the eagles go far in the playoffs and their 1st round pick they give us will not be as valuable. Also...we've lost out on franchise QB Alternatively, If Mariota ends up stinking. They have high first rounders from the Eagles and they avoided taking a bad player.
