All this bs you say now doesn't erase the fact that you compared being a member of a jewish group to the kkk. Come right out and own up to the fact you don't like jews. As a representative of the race, I know from your statement how you feel and nothing you can say afterward can change it. This is just a message board but this stuff happens in real life all the time. Once someone makes a statement like that in the real world, all us jews will know that you are an antisemite even if we say to you that we believe your next statement. We really don't care to be honest--just know that we will never trust you and the more you deny it, the more disgraceful you are in our eyes.
I didn't compare being part of a Jewish group to the KKK, I showed that you can question an organizations ability to be unbiased without it being due to racism or religious discrimination. The fact that is too complex for you doesn't reflect anything about how I feel about Jews. I love my mother. So have some matzah and shut the fuck up. At least you admit that you "don't care to be honest."
The comparison doesn't make any sense. Belonging to a violent hate group would be a legitimate reason to discuss barring inclusion. Belonging to a religious group should not be, which is apparently what was agreed upon after someone with a head stepped in.
It makes complete sense when the argument is that by simply questioning the bias of an organization you are absolutely being racist or discriminatory of the religion. All I have to do is provide an example where that isn't true and not an absolute and that argument is defeated.
Funny enough, last night I was waiting for the wife to come home and fix my dinner so I decided to kill some time surfing through youtube for music videos. I found a clip of Arlen Roth jamming on stage with some now deceased C&W big shot, who apparently has a lot of adherents. The first comment was something like "that weak joo should have to pay to be onstage with Jimmy . . ." Which was embarrassingly incorrect, as well as wrong and racist. Obviously, not apples to apples, and certainly not an open expression on an anonymous internet forum. But AS is alive and well. I really think the UCLA thing was some dumb kids outthinking themselves. And then immediately seeing the light.
The first vote was February 10th. It took nearly a month for the second vote to happen and then they still were leaning against based on comments made in a public forum. I'm not a big fan of Israel at all at this point. I think they've handled things very poorly over the last three decades. That doesn't excuse even casual Anti-Semitism. The Holocaust is a thing and the undercurrents present in most societies could easily lead to the marginalization of Jews and Jewish thought, as this attempt was, and a slippery slope that leads to further violence. You know me, I may be extreme at times and overly liberal at others but I'm also very rational and the scenario at UCLA was both ugly and indicative of a bigger problem in the culture.
The Jewish people are considered a race/ethnicity, as they "share" many features. Of course, if you truly want to be technical, race is not genetic/biological whatsoever, and is purely a social construct, so if you want to start talking smart, there is no race.
This is completely untrue. Genetically speaking Jews are one of the most diverse groups on earth, with European, Middle Eastern, Asian and African adherents. Even in Israel there is an enormous divide between the Ashkenazi and Sephardic population.
race and ethnicity are entirely two different things. the fact that you are trying to us them interchangeably reflects you don't know what you are talking about.
Huh? I'm pretty sure they voted twice on the tenth, from reading the Times article and the minutes. It's not even a month from then to today. I don't see this as casual anti-Semitism. I see it as dopey white kids. Frankly, I have a tad of admiration that she was politically incorrect enough to actually speak up and articulate what she was thinking: Will you be able to apply the rules evenly, even when there is a Jewish student in the cross-hairs? Pretty odious sentiment, granted, but not every kid who gets into college is a brain surgeon. Drawing a line from this to the Holocaust is re-freaking-diculous. I grew up on the north shore of Long Island. I know from Jews and Jewish thought. If you think for one second Jews are underrepresented in all aspects of higher education, well, sheet, Negro, that's all you had to say.
This is a comfortable thought for somebody who grew up in a relatively heterogeneous society in which many different ethnicities, cultural memes and political philosophies intersected to form a liberal bastion of inclusiveness. Welcome to the Weimar Republic in 1924.
I'm not trying to use them interchangeably because race does not exist. Race is traditionally defined as the genetic/biological features of a group of individuals, whereas ethnicity is the cultural/national beliefs. There are more genetic differences between individuals of the same "race" than there are between different "races". Race does not exist. It is a completely manmade social construct that was (and still us) used to propogate slavery under the guise of racial superiority.
Do you think that people in Tito's Yugoslavia had any idea what was going to unfold when Federal Yugoslavia was dismembered? How about people in Mexico a generation ago? You think they had any clue what life was going to be like when the drug culture moved in? People in Iraq were undoubtedly overjoyed when Saddam was overthrown. I'm sure the people in the Weimar Republic thought that life was good as it evolved into a fairly representative democracy. The point is that nobody anywhere should look at the good times they're living in as anything but a temporary reprieve from basic human nature, which is to kill everybody who does not agree with you or is weaker than you and take their stuff. When we see things like the UCLA vote and the statements preceding it there should be a bright red flashing light that goes off, telling us that human nature is still basically exclusionary, violent (the expression of political force to exclude is a very violent act against the individuals the attempt is made against) and generally vile. That people will be more forgiving towards the people they identify with is not a redeeming factor, it's just part of the exclusionary process that most people will gladly participate in if their circumstances are suddenly worsened or if the threat of that exists. It's a very short path from listening to the faculty advisor who redirected the UCLA student council towards rationality and inclusiveness or driving them out as well as the persons they are defending. It's ok to be American and Western European and to feel that somehow our cultures are special and adapt well to trying circumstances. That's pretty much how the average citizen of the Weimar Republic felt before the extremists followed basic human nature and took control violently as soon as circumstances created the opening.
That's just nonsense. Genetic diversity is simply inherent in our biology, and genetic variations within races doesn't negate genetic differences between races. Where else do you want to apply that argument? Is there no such things as dog breeds? Are bulldogs the same breed as German Shepard simply because there is genetic diversity amongst bulldogs. And slavery originated within racial groups; Africans sold one another for slavery; Romans had no recognition of racial groups amongst their slave practices. Slavery has never been dependent on race to justify or propagate it. Last I checked we have race classifications in this country and yet no slavery so it's a ridiculous claim that race "still is" used to propagate slavery. Where is this slavery that is the only purpose of race you speak of?
The YOUTUBE comment section is one of the worst places to visit on the internet. If you aren't white you're a target for comments like the above or worst.
Bullshit, Muslims kill innocents and spread terror. Jews are the opposite. Exhibit A: Exhibit B: Nothing close to being the same.
