With Foles, the Jets could be an immediate playoff contender. Obviously,they have a few other holes to fill as well, but a QB who is not a turnover machine would be a huge step in the right direction. I think Foles would do well under Chan Gailey. I don't think the trade will include all the picks some people a thinking it will. It will be similar to the Jets move from 17 to 5, with maybe an extra mid round pick in there.
That's the beauty of an internet forum. I can judge you as much as you judge the Jets. Once again, I agree with you. I want the Jets to take Mariota at the 6. But why do you think your judgment of whether Mariota is a good fit for this franchise outweighs the judgment of our paid professionals who haven't even been given a chance yet: Mac and Bowles? I would understand if Idzik and Rex were still here and they continued to make poor decisions, but why don't you give our new leadership a year or two before you jump ship? They may very well have a plan. And Mariota may or may not be a part of it.
I certainly understand your frustration - I've followed the team for 35 years ( I missed the lovely 70s ). I have a question though.....did you have this same anger back in '97 and the years following when Parcells played 'tough guy' in negotiations with Archie and virtually caused the Jets to miss out on Peyton Manning? That right there set the Jets back if you think about it........it was overlooked at the time because Parcells did do wonders with the franchise but can you imagine if we had Peyton in his prime during the '00 - '10 seasons? At least 1 SB trophy, no? Manning, Rodgers, Big Ben, Luck....those guys were can't miss. This year's crop - both Winston and Mariota I just don't see it. I know that's my opinion but I'm not the only one......if the rumor is true let's see exactly how the draft plays out........
I was lying in bed at home for Manning's press conference, had just undergone an appendectomy and was laid up for a few days. I remember being INCREDIBLY pissed when he decided to go back and I think we all knew it was because of Parcells. So, yes, I was just as pissed back then as I would be now if we passed on Mariota or traded the pick. I've only felt this way about 2 other QBs since Manning where we had a chance to take them an didn't. Teddy and Carr last year. Every other year we either had a QB I felt was our guy or there was no guy there I really cared for. I look as both Mariota and Winston as much as a can't miss as anyone since Luck and for several years before him. Again, not Luck but the next best thing. _
To answer your question, for several reasons. One, because while I have high hopes for them (Mac and Bowles) they haven't won or earned my trust yet, and more often than not, I have been disappointed and frustrated by the misses the Jets have had in the draft. Two, like Stokes, I don't believe multiple picks are more important than getting a franchise QB prospect. Three, with the exception of Teddy Bridgewater last year, I think Mariota is the best QB prospect the Jets have had a realistic chance of drafting in many years. Four, I think Bowles is a good enough coach that the Jets won't have a poor enough record to be in a good position to get the next great QB prospect who comes along. Five, until you have the QB position fixed, nothing else matters. You get your QB first since it is the most important position and the hardest to fill well, THEN you build the team around him, not vice versa. Six, my opinion is that unless they think Mariota isn't a good franchise QB prospect (which I can't imagine), I think they HAVE to or at least should roll the dice on him. Seven, I don't think there will either be a QB prospect as good as Mariota within the next 2 drafts (except for possibly the kid from OSU), or even if there is, the Jets won't be a in position to get him. I want to see the QB position fixed. I'm fed up with all the boobs they've had trying to play the position and failing. I know the Jets will have no chance of making, much less winning a SB until they do.
To answer your question, yes I did. I NEVER wanted Parcells to come to the Jets even though I knew he was a great coach. The reason for that is I knew his pattern by then. He was a selfish asshat imo. I didn't think he'd stay long term. I thought he'd stay for a couple of years and bolt, which is of course what he did. I knew that he favored older vets and a "win now" philosophy, which I thought was a mistake. While he was with the Giants, I had seen the consequences of his doghouse and how it often stilted the development of younger players rather than enhancing it. So, when Peyton chose to stay at Tennessee and I found out that Parcells was to blame, yes, I was livid. I agree that Mariota isn't a "can't miss" prospect, but don't think we can just sit around and hope that one of those types falls into our laps. There are precious few of those types and 32 NFL teams. I think that Mariota is the best QB prospect we've been in a position to draft in many years, and think we should roll the dice on him. If the Jets take him and he doesn't develop into a quality starter then it will hurt, but it won't be devastating to the cap, and would be just another "miss" in terms of the QB position. Yes, it would cost us a blue chip player at another position, but what's to say that player wouldn't pan out or develop? If the Jets pass on him by trading down or taking another player and he develops into a quality starter or star elsewhere, that would be devastating. With the young D talent the Jets have, if Mariota develops in a year and with Bowles, I think the Jets would be very competitive and have a realistic shot at getting to and winning a SB. It's just too big of a risk NOT to take him imo.
The one question I have for all these folks suggesting Mariota isn't a "sure thing", what other player at 6 is the next "sure thing"? Which one of these guys is Jadeovn Clowney? Oh, wait, that didn't work. Which one of these guys is Dieon Sanders or LT or John Hannah or Ronnie Lott or Randy Moss or Orlando Pace or Warren Sapp? Who is this franchise changing player we're going to take at 6 that could POSSIBLY be more important to our franchise than a Mariota. _
I agree with you on virtually all counts. I think you're overreacting, though, because everything we know is from the media. And from everything I've heard over the past week regarding the Jets, it seems like the Jets are playing the media for their own gain. 1) It was leaked that the Jets "would pay anything" for Revis. I think that story was fabricated by the Jets in order to raise Revis' price as the Patriots try to renegotiate his contract. We may want him, and we may be doing this in order to increase the likelihood that Revis will become a free agent, but under no circumstances to I believe that Mac and Bowles (and even Woody) "would pay anything" for Revis. It's just a media tactic to gain leverage vs. the Pats. 2) It was leaked that the Jets would "certainly" trade down with the Eagles if Mariota fell to the 6. I believe that the Jets also leaked this story in order to prevent Chip Kelly from jumping over us and grabbing Mariota with Jacksonville's pick or the Redskin's. We're trying to alleviate fear by telling them (and the entire world) that we have no interest in Mariota. Ideally, the Eagles will refuse to give up too much to the Jags or Redskins, etc., thinking that they have a better deal with the Jets. When Mariota drops to the 6, we will pick him. Obviously both examples are speculation and I may have no idea what I'm talking to, but these 2 "leaked" stories over the last few days seem highly questionable (unless our leadership really is incompetent...at least on the Revis front.) Let's start complaining when the Jets actually start making (bad) moves. Right now, I truly believe we are simply playing the NY media in order to give ourselves as much leverage as we can going forward.
I quite likely am overreacting. I readily admit that. Rooting for this freaking team has driven me insane. LOL It's not so much that I give credence to the article cited for this thread, it's just the knowledge that it could be true even if no article had been written. I agree with you about Revis. At least I certainly hope that it's fabricated, but I'm not sure that Woody isn't that stupid. I really don't like him. You could also be correct about 2), and I hope you are, but if the Jets did that, then they'd probably have burned a bridge with Philly and never be able to work out a trade with them again. I'm not sure that would be very wise, even if the Jets may not be likely to ever trade with Philly. Other teams could take umbrage at the Jets saying they'd trade, then double-crossing that team and taking the player. Perhaps not, but it could be a risk. I'm hoping that none of the things in either of those articles comes true. I really hope and pray that the Jets finally have found quality football men to run this team, and that Woody will stay out of the way. Until I see incontrovertible proof that that has happened, however... BTW, thanks for your response. I thought you were going in a different direction with your first post.
If Mariota is there at 6 and the Jets either i)Trade the pick to Philly or ii) Draft another player in that spot than fuck this franchise.
LOL Mac's wife won't give him any the night before the draft, so he gets out of bed on the wrong side the morning of the draft and says, "I'm in a lousy mood and horny. Eff it. I'm not taking a QB today."
