here is my deal with manning. his greatness is his downfall. sometimes it's better to be told what to do. all that omaha audible crap doesn't work well in the playoffs. when you are so great at passing, you make your own team 1 dimensional. he friggin had edge, but they were still pass happy! and when you get pass happy, your team becomes kinda soft. the precision passing works well against 90% of the team. but those who made it at the end has the defense to neutralize and break that precise passing. what manning had to do is become a game manager. and ask the team to be more balanced - kinda like 06 colts. sometimes it's better to just run the damn ball. manning is a control freak and is a victim of his own greatness. and right now, his noodle arm doesn't help. on top of that he isn't brady or montana under pressure. I love watching manning, but yeah the debate between brady vs. manning is over. unless manning somehow builds a dynasty team and wins out Elway fashion, i don't see how manning tops what brady has done. Favre? another super hero who is a victim of his own great macho arm. but I value his 3 mvps, 2 SB appearance, great season with vikings, and his bulk stats. again, i'm taking all the old schoolers out. i really can't judge them honestly because i haven't seen them in my life time. how da hell should i know the difference between baugh and graham. i was too young to remember staubaugh or fouts. and I don't count old highlights. i have to see them with my eyes, experience them on sunday.
Wait, Brady is good under pressure? haha, he's never been good under pressure of a pass rush,ever...just dink it out. Brady would never been able to play in 70s 80s without the new rules that favor offenses and penalize the D. Is this your new place since you got the hook at steelerfever.....huh bones jones?
brady is great in a pressured situation. in 70s the biggest olineman usually played at 270lb. dline at 260 at best. there were no guys who ran 4.3s. QB isn't a 'tough guy' position. QB is a general with a brain. you sound like Brady would get sacked 10 times a game in 70s. brady is same exact 6ft 4 225lb as dan marino. and playing style is pretty much the same - a great pocket passer. guess what? marino is one of the least sacked QB of all time. why? because great pocket passers know where pressure is coming. they get rid of the ball quick. will brady's career stat suffer if plays in 70s or 80s? yes. it will. but he will still be the same great pocket passer. yes, it's teams job to provide any QB an adequate protection. but i'm sure that's not we are discussing about.
hey Junc, get some reality man. What i said doesn't pertain to a conspiracy theory, it's facts.....do you actually watch football long enough to know what the f you're writing?
and if you take steroids out of steel curtain players, they would be 5-10% smaller and 5-10% weaker. that team's biggest olineman was 275lb. it's a different game. today's NFL players are not even human. how can you explain 300lb+ oline having 30 inch standing vert? 250lb+ guy running 4.4 under? today's high school QBs have to process 10-20 more information than high school QBs from 20 years ago. that's not my word. trent dilfer said that.
i grew up watching football since 80's. prime peyton and brady would destroy that era if they transport back in time. but if they were born 20 years earlier and they actually played in the league in 80's then that's a completely different story. they won't have all the brain power and never would've faced complex defenses. so it's really hard to compare era to era. i just compare what i see it with my own eyes. today's NFL is much better than NFL 30 years ago. we have much bigger talent pool now (more kids playing football, 30% population growth), espn media frenzy, more information to process, and more money in the game more than ever before. there will be a day that things will stabilize and slow down. but right now NFL has seen the major growth in the past 10 years. IMO, brady/manning era is a major contributor.
you're not going to win that one bucko. you're saying the 70's steelers were alone on an island when every team had players juicing.....it was a level playing field and the Steelers D was drafted and assembled to be the best ever....you cannot deny it. Their best D was a year they didn't win the SB. They lost their running backs Franco and Blier. and by the way...happy banning!! "02-18-2015, 11:38 PM #795 Bones_Jones Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 57 Member Number: 26439 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Re: Patriots Cheating Again? Quote: Originally Posted by tony hipchest You and all patriot fans are the joke. Pats wouldn't be shit w/o ESPN ball washing them for so many years. don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Now go away, creep. -------------------- you are in a serious denial if you don't think this is a witch hunt by BPSN. we've been hating on BSPN forever. ball washing is done by anaylsts who knows we were great. witch hunt is done by these reporters with agenda. clayton for ex. dude is a notorious pat hater. and so are many others. and you saw many true colors coming out after deflate-gate. all have personal agenda against us. you know who doesn't have personal agenda against us? winners who never lost to us. michael irvin and deion sanders for ex. and those niners hate us for real. because many obvious reasons we are hated because of the media. 06 miami with tapegate? meh. falcons with noisegate? meh. media is killing us because we are a team everybody loves to hate "
Brady ain't Marino. He's alltime great and clearly top 5, but he's not as great a pure QB as Dante was. _
I'm not comparing steelers vs. other 70's team. if today's Pats played that steelers dynasty team, pats would beat them by 6TDs juice or no juice. Pats are simply bigger team by 45lb. you can't overcome that kinda size because games are won and lost in the trenches. last year's Jets would also destroy them by 5TDs too.
Marino may have been the better pure passer, Brady is the better QB having done more w/ less and I love Marino as a QB. One of my favorite QBs to watch of all time, I hated what he did to my team but I appreciate greatness and Dan is second to none as far as pure passer so it's difficult to put Brady or anyone ahead but I believe Brady is better. No one has done it better than Brady.
Marino is a better thrower of the football. he is an all time great thrower. IMO, marino is prettiest thrower and favre is the most entertaining thrower. rodgers is little bit of both. but marino can throw. it's a beauty. but brady is better than marino at everything else. 2 min left in the SB and my team has to score 7. i'm taking brady over marino 10 out of 10 times. and IMO, nobody is better than brady at deciphering the defense. peyton is close 2nd when it comes to dissecting the D. peyton maybe even better than brady at knowing what's coming, but brady actually does attack the defense better than peyton because brady takes what defenses give to him, but peyton the Ocoord forces his style to his diadvantage. brady's talent has gotten better over the years. in 07 brady threw a ball that traveled 76 yards in the air(the miss to randy moss in the SB - somebody did precise calculation on that throw with angles). so peak brady had a borderline cannon for an arm. but again overall QB throwing talent? i could argue brady isn't even top 15 today. but again, that's not what QB is all about.
I took all the QBs I've seen in my lifetime and I ranked them 1-5. And Elway is in there. I thought that was obvious. _
elway was not a great decision maker and his accuracy wasn't elite. yes, he had many heroic comebacks under his belt, but IMO that doesn't define a QB. if shanny never came to the scene, we are talking about all time wasted talent. Give me brady who takes care of the ball, don't go into a hero mode and always plays well. there were many games elway looked tebow awful and then goes superman mode in the 4th. it all comes down to details and IMO elway lacked in details.
I think Elway was vastly underrated pre 1997 and vastly overrated post 1998. Still obviously an all time great and I think he belongs somewhere in the top 10 but not quite top 5.
this is why QB GOAT debate is tough. IMO, rodgers is a better all around QB than Marino. Rodgers throws a beautiful ball(almost as great as marino), but rodgers also takes care of football better. and rodgers can run circles around slow footed marino. will rodgers be better than marino? maybe. rodgers would have to play at this level for 5 more years to be in the conversation. for me this is how i rank the GOAT QB. 1. playoff performances (did you do it in the playoffs?) 2. clutch gene (can you give me 7 when you are down in the 4th qtr?) 3. consistency (are you great always?) 4. fear factor (does defense fear you?) 5. hardwares (did you win any mvps?) 6. stats (are you consistently putting up respectable numbers? do you have bulk stats?) 7. intangibles (do you have 'it'?) 8. eye test (are you great on film?) 9. leadership (are you a leader of man?) 10. are you a threat to win it all? (are you relevant every year? putting stats are one thing being a threat to win it all is another) i even taken out wins and losses or SB counts. if i do that it favors Brady by alot. and i'm taking the usual suspects out - such as mechanics, arm strength, etc. because IMO, when you are comparing the GOAT details matter. everyone plays differently and there is no right or wrong. favre threading the needle isn't any more impressive than brady thowing a 10 yard dart to edelman. brady/rodgers don't like to gamble. those who trusts their arm does crazy things on the field, but often times it leads to a turnover. basically every great QBs have different style. brady is more of precise surgeon. Elway is a macho man. peyton is like a professor. it's hard to argue against Brady & Montana. i would say if i put player into a group it's 1. brady, montana 2. peyton manning 3. marino, elway, young, favre 4. brees, warner, aikman 5. kelly, moon again, i'm taking all the greats out from the pre 80's. i believe big ben can get to 5th spot. rodgers is easily on his way to #2. if he can win more SBs he can be up there with 1. and then i love guys like tony romo. if romo can starting winning more playoffs then he can also get to $5 spot.
