2014-15 NCAA Basketball Thread

I'll say this, I'm torn. I hate Duke and Rat Face might be my most loathed man in sports after Bellicheck and Brady but at first I wanted to applaud him for not screwing this kid based on allegations. If any school has a right to wait until a full investigation is done it's Duke after those poor lacrosse kids had their seasons and more importantly their lives dragged through the mud and nearly destroyed due to false allegations by a horrible woman.

The women who made these allegations did not file charges but Duke and more importantly K was apparently alerted to them last March and decided to wait until January to dismiss the player again without any charges ever being filed which is what makes me not applaud the move by K. It leads me to believe that K knew there may have been some truth to them and was hoping that because the charges were never filed he could hope it just disappeared and once he was alerted it was going to be published in the newspaper he took it as an opportunity to beat the media to the punch and dismiss him.

What I feel K should have done was not throw this kid under the bus based on allegations, he should have stood behind him demanding in America there is due process and as far as we're concerned Suliman is innocent until proven guilty. What has he been charged with? Nothing then he's not guilty (noticed I didn't say innocent). He also should have said the school and the basketball program will launch an investigation to determine the truth and if it comes out that Suliman did commit these allegations we will act accordingly. After all K had no problem with getting up in front of a bunch of soldiers and ripping Obama so he obviously has political beliefs and had no issue with his right to free speech but he seems to have forgotten that also in the Bill of Rights all accused of a crime have a right to due process. Where is the due process for Suliman?

Rape is no joke and it should be dealt with as a serious crime but just like the Duke lacrosse case, the Rolling Stone article about the UVA rape story in which an entire frat house was punished for crimes they did not commit there are women who make these things up and if they don't pursue with charges I have a hard time taking them serious. Yes I understand it's traumatic but by saying nothing they put other women in danger and that is selfish because if these crimes really did take place they are leaving a monster on the street with their silence.

 

You covered it.
For the sake of his team, maybe he dismissed Suliamon, to let due process take its coarse. The Duke team didn't do any of it, so why expose the team to it. It's up to Rasheed, not Duke's 2014-2015 team. Right? Isn't that due process?

 

Why is it up to him? It isn't guilty until proven innocent, as far as I know he didn't do anything wrong. This kid with a promising career has now been dragged through the mud and has lost his ride at Duke all while these women who made claims have shown no reason to indicate the claims are true. Of all schools in the NCAA Duke should know all about this stuff 1st hand after the nonsense with their lacrosse team. What happens to them if it turns out he did nothing wrong? Nothing yet this kid is punished for something for all we know he didn't do. That's not the way this country was founded, it's a shame this is the way it operates though. If you want to suspend him while the investigation takes place fine but it should have happened as soon as the basketball team was made aware of it but to dismiss him 10 months later is horseshit. Why not do it last year? Is it because K had Jabari Parker and Rodney Hood and thought he had a legit shot at another national title and he thought nobody would know about it? Or is it something else. All I'm saying is you either stand behind your kid 100% or you handle the situation as soon as you find out about it, not handle it when it's convenient for you to do so. That's just wrong on so many levels and it's convicting this kid of a crime he hasn't even been charged with.

 

Yes the allegations are serious but my point was that being Duke has been down this road with the lacrosse thing of all schools in the NCAA they should have known exactly how to handle this. Waiting 10 months to dismiss a kid when you were made aware of it in March of last year seems to be the opposite of handling it the right way. I just have a hard time taking serious any woman who doesn't file charges. I can't understand it because I'm not a woman but if he actually did this the 1st woman not filing charges could have prevented the 2nd woman from being raped assuming it happened.

 

He's still a student there for what it's worth. He hasn't been kicked out of school or sitting in a prison cell. I think the lacrosse thing was the reason they didn't jump to conclusions and kick him out right away.

I admittedly don't know anything regarding the specific circumstances, maybe nobody does, but if they didn't learn from the lacrosse thing they would've bounced him immediately in march, I think taking their time to investigate indicates they learned from that witch hunt, especially since the woman didn't file charges like you say. I could be wrong though.

I doubt the timeline had anything to do with wanting to keep him eligible- he was what a role player? This isn't Jameis Winston, i don't think they'd be stupid enough to hang their program & history out to dry over a 6th/7th man. I think they were just slow to punish because the last time something similar to this happened EVERYONE moved quickly and it was a massive mistake, a black mark for the university. They should've moved more quickly though yes.

 

That's kind of the way I feel, I hope they are false as well because no woman should have to be raped let alone 2 but the fact that 10 months passed and it wasn't until word got out to the general public as to what was going on leads me believe there also might be some truth to it. It'll be impossible to know what K knew and what he didn't but I read that someone associated with the team quit when word got out. What I do is under NCAA laws and all that Title IX stuff the school is required to do an investigation so it possible it just took all this time to do the investigation and maybe K did have his back and waited for the investigation to be completed before he acted.

 

"Dumb....stupid." Sounds like someone's having their "Period!" j/k
As for the top post, this 'Gonzaga' discussion has pretty much been a running joke if you've been reading our posts regarding the 'Zags' (facetious references to for example, a recent win over some "tenacious/game" 10-15 WCC doormat) so when BYU did beat them, it was pretty much 'school's out' spin-wise. I'm well aware of BYU being a good team; recall seeing their 'historical' 25-point comeback vs. Iona College only 2 years ago in the NCAA tourney.

2nd post: I'm not contesting the strength of the A.C.C., a conference that prior to their recent expansion had traditionally consisted of big, state institutions with big gazillion dollar budgets. That Duke has been the conference standard bearer for the last 25 years in the midst of these goliaths is all that more impressive, but I digress. That the ACC is or is not the be all and end all in college basketball is not my concern so much as it is about me deciding not to slavishly bow down to the "ACC Shining City on the Hill" that is to be revered and held in awe at every single mention of the word "basketball." Moreover, when I read unsolicitated trolling along these lines.....

^^^


.....well, I'm not going to cry 'foul' or whatever. I'm simply going to see it for what it is: a swipe at the Big East, and from there it's "game on!"


So to that end (and please take this in the intended spirit), whenever the "Big East is a joke" ACC posturing rears its inflated, overbearing head, I, being a Jet fan on a Jet board who grew up in the northeast and and who never attended an ACC school (that is, my alma mater wasn't an ACC school at the time), might allow my smart ass sensibilities to get the better of me in a respond-in-kind manner. I don't know if you yourself have a particular ACC dog in this fight but from my perspective, I haven't really bought into the 'conference' thing being that I kinda always liked that 'we' were at one time one of the few major independents along the lines of ND, PSU et al. Additionally, our once long-time defunct 'basketball' program that was absurdly re-incubated in the Big East in a quid pro quo manner (trade football cred for a b-ball program jump start) further separates me from any sense of "ACC basketball" fealty. And by the same token, I never viewed them as 'Big East' per se either, but more of a start up program "rental" under the aegis of the Big East Conference.

Put simply (and to admittedly belabor the point), I've always been supportive of the local/regional (ECAC, Big East, etc.) schools a la "support your local sheriff."

Lastly, there's an irony in play here that's slightly amusing: my 'ex post' ACC fraternity vs. our resident ACC shill's non-ACC affiliation. But then, I'm just dealing in reality.

Regards.

 

How about regular season match-up where the Big East went 7-2 against the ACC?

 

They have the second best non-conference record in the nation, and won three pre-season tournaments, and are set to have 60% of their teams qualify for the NCAA Tournament. What more do they need to do to have a "great year"?

 

So then let's wait untill after the tournament before you universally condemn the entire conference.

 

2 of the schools had issues while in the ACC.

So that reflects on the ACC, not the BE.

UNC cheated in the ACC. Louisville and Duke had issues with a player raping/assaulting in the ACC.

This is not about the Big East.

You say this every year. ACC is underrated, BE is overrated. May as well put it in your signature.

 

Really? Rampant cheating for football and basketball players for over a decade. That seems worse than what happened at the other ACC schools.

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