The people have spoken, and the Government has Listened. FCC "saves" the Internet!

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  1. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    what?

    There are no new taxes explicitly associated with today's news, nope. You are correct on that.

    I don't think you're stupid so I know that you know nothing is free. This will take time and effort to implement. It will cost the tax payers money in some way shape or form. That's a guarantee. If my words were unclear I apologize but this is what I was getting at. The fcc also has the ability to apply old taxes to the newly classified internet now.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/haroldfurchtgottroth/2014/10/12/fcc-plans-stealth-internet-tax-increase/

    This may be one of these places where government oversight is a necessary evil for a few reasons. I get what this is trying to address. It has the potential to be a good thing. It also has potential to be a disaster.

    Big companies shouldn't be able to eliminate competition but they still have a right to make money in the free market. I don't buy into the idea that they shouldn't be able to charge a premium for premium service. If Verizon spends big bucks to lay premium fiber they shouldn't be forced to give it away. How else is it going to be paid for?
     
  2. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    when I said "run it" I meant physically running the cable and building the infrastructure. poor choice in words.

    I understand what the purpose of this is.
     
  3. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    This is about the cost of bandwidth. Nothing more, nothing less. As the internet has grown, so has the needs of the average user and the enterprise user. Both compete for bandwidth. What this ruling does is puts the onus on BigTel to provide more bandwidth for all their users, not just the ones with the deep pockets. The quickest way to do this is to bring online all the "dark fibre" that exists.

    I work for one of the BigTel companies. I also contracted back in the early 90's when fibre was being strung from one end of America to the other. Once all this fibre was in place, there was no market for it and the result was that BigTel left them unactivated aka: "Dark".

    The price of broadband has really plummeted over the last decade. Speeds unheard of 10 years ago is common now with FIOS and Cable Modems. DSL is the modern equivalent of dial up now. 3meg downloads is considered slow. Since DSL is asymentric, upload speeds lag far behind download speeds.

    What this law does is to make sure that the average user has the same access to the internet "superhighway" as the enterprise user. This of course flies in the face of unfettered "free enterprise". I can see the GOP's heartburn with this as they are pro-business but as a average user, I'm glad they pass this law in its present form.

    Sadly, we're the only "developed" country having this discussion. Japan and others have long ago surpassed us when it comes to bandwidth to the premises.
     
  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    cman I don't even have cable on my road. when can I expect to get on this super highway?
     
  5. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Depends on how many customers are nearby. This still comes down to the money that can or can't be made. You might want to consider Satellite or POW (Plain Old Wireless). 4G isn't bad but even that standard is about to be surpassed thanks to innovation.
     
  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    satellite blows. we use 4g which is fine for the most part. cable company said they'll run the wire if we can get 8 other people on the road to pay 4k each. lol.
     
  7. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you're not a squirrel eating gun nut at all.
     
  8. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    what's the point of this post? I only ask because it's the second time you've called me a squirrel eater. Do you literally think I eat squirrels? Is that some saying I never learned that means something else?

    Can't say I'm offended or anything I honestly don't know what you mean just curious wtf.
     
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  9. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    I'm ridiculing you and drawing the obvious connection between your odious backwards political leanings and your patent isolation from the rest of humanity. Sorry that was so obtuse. It was a joke. I don't think you really eat squirrels. Most of the time, anyway.
     
  10. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I find most people to be self centered assholes. I see no need to surround myself with them. When I retire, if all goes as planned, I should be able to become further isolated from the cesspool.
     
  11. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    Yup.... I'm in Taiwan and my internet speed blows away anything I had in the States and I pay less than 20 dollars a month. My data plan for my cell phone. 6 dollars a month for 2 G's of data. Granted I don't have the ability to make calls or send texts but aps like Line and Viber make that possible. I could upgrade to unlimited data for about 27 dollars a month. Not great but still much cheaper than the US.
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    how do the prices of other products and services compare to the states? Is there much cheaper labor available there?

    I'm not being a wise ass, honestly curious.
     
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  13. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    It really depends, things are cheaper for the most part with the exceptions being hotels, cars, alcohol, Western food but people are also paid much less as well. It's actually a really good place to live as people who are defined as middle class can live comfortably and I would say that unlike the US the lower class is almost non existent as most people are educated and even though agriculture is still very big on the island so is technology. We also have lots of imported low wage workers from Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam who work tech jobs in the factories.

    A perfect example, I know someone who is an engineer and he makes the equivalent of about 30K a year in the US but he lives much like a person who makes 100K in the US because even though his wages are low at least based on the US standard his cost of living is also low.

    I went to Japan in December and I know it's an expensive place to live but there is almost no poverty despite the outrageous cost of living because unlike in the US there are checks and balances in place to prevent corporations from owning the government and allowing the 1% to control the 99%.
     
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  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    sounds great, what's land cost?
     
  15. Br4d

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    That's common in an island nation and Japan is just a really big island nation. Look at land prices in Hawaii for a good comparison. Same government as the rest of US but land prices out of sight. Same for Manhattan which you could argue is an island nation unto itself.
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I was referring to Taiwan, mostly joking though.
     
  17. Dierking

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    I feels you.
     
  18. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    No idea... I would imagine expensive. Land is at a premium here because I'd say that about 50-60% of the island is uninhabitable because of the mountains.
     
  19. alleycat9

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    i wonder what al gore thinks about all this.
     
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  20. Sundayjack

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    What's with the coordinated blue outfits and tie??

    I didn't realize until this photo that two women were behind this. This changes everything. Look at that one on the right - CLEARLY gritting it out through cramps. No no - this definitely deserves Congressional hearings.
     
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