He doesn't have to be a top 10 QB, but I think he will be. Do you seriously think Cooks or Hackenberg will be top 10 QBs?
Yeah--I can't really begin to discuss Jones because he was such a flash in such a limited time and as you said, he might not even start next year. I'll probably watch a lot of Goff next year too. _
QBR isn't everything. Could he look off the safety? Could he go through his progressions and read the D without staring down receivers? Could he take snaps from under center? Was his footwork consistent? No. Just because the Jets drafted another QB last season, wouldn't have meant that they were giving up on Smith, either. Sorry, but that's rubbish. They talked plenty about bringing in competition. QB get injured in the NFL. One always needs a good backup. Part of the reasoning in taking a shot on a QB in the 2nd, 3rd round or lower is that it won't hurt as badly if they don't pan out, and that shouldn't prevent you from taking another if a good prospect comes along, and especially when there's a better prospect that comes along that doesn't have the issues that Geno had. The Jets could have taken either Teddy or Carr, let that QB battle it out with Geno, and hopefully, the Jets would be set at the QB position for years. If both pan out, then when it gets to the point that there's a controversy, you can trade one for a high draft pick, probably a #1. If only one of them pans out, you still have your starter. If both fail, at least you increased your chances of finding your QB of the future. Several years ago, one of the sports writers (I forget who, but think it may have been Randy Lange) made a very good point about the draft. He said that when teams have a need or a hole, they usually address it by taking only one player at the position. He made the point that that wasn't really addressing the need. If the player doesn't pan out, then you still have the hole. He said that teams should take at least two players at the position to increase their chances of success. If both of them pan out, you have great competition and excellent depth or could trade one of them. Think about what GB did several years ago. They had Favre, they drafted Rodgers, then in successive years they took 2-3 additional QBs. They were able to trade 1-2 of those QBs to other teams for #1 picks, and they insured that they had a successor to Favre. They didn't take it for granted that Rodgers would develop the way he did. IMO for a franchise who hasn't had a good QB since the '80s (I'm not counting Farvre's one season & imo Vinny was NEVER a good QB. He had one, maybe two, very good seasons, and sucked the rest.), they ought to be drafting a QB every year, maybe 2 every year until they find a quality QB.
Never said Jay Cutler did ... that was more-so directed towards Hackenberg. Prob should have made that more clear.
Jared Goff is the guy that I'm looking forward to watching this (upcoming) season. 4000 yards, 62% completion, 35TDs to 7INT's 6'4/strong arm/pocket presence. If he builds on his 2014 campaign, he could easily be the number 1 pick. That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Goff looks like an interesting prospect. He plays in the Bear Raid, so his stats are inflated like most Air Raid QB's. A good comparison would be Nick Foles, maybe with a slightly better arm.
having started to break this down with multiple responses I lost the will as its just a waste of my time and yours so lets just agree to disagree (though I will just say that if the Jets had taken a QB with their first round pick then it absolutely would have meant that they were giving up on Smith. You can count on one hand the number of teams that have drafted QBs in the top 50 or so picks in back to back years in the last 40 years (and in the very very few cases where it did happen there was pretty much always a clear reason as to why it happened)). Hell even the Jags waited a couple of years to go back into the QB pool after their recent disappointments.
probably because that is how so many college teams play - if you discount every QB that plays in that system you are probably going to be left with a choice between 2 guys
Yup college programs aren't in the business of turning out pro-ready QBs. They are in the business of winning. And spread offenses in college put up a lot of points and contribute to winning. _
NC, I asked about QBs in the next TWO drafts (2016 and 2017). Obviously, that wasn't counting this draft that Mariota will be a part of. If a QB started his first game on upcoming opening day, he could start for 2 years and declare himself eligible for the draft after next (2017). Basically, that's exactly what happened with Winston. FSU's season ended, Eric Manuel got drafted in the 2013 draft. Winston got his first start in the season following that draft, played 2 seasons and declared himself for the 2015 draft.
Not sure. Will see how they develop with another year in college. I think both of them are already ahead of Mariota in terms of NFL passing ability given the offenses that they play in.
Why can't you do both? FL State, USC, Alabama all pro style offenses that have won the majority of titles lately.
While as a Duck's fan I would love to see Mariota here. I know it won't happen. Teams are just too hard up for QB's to let him fall. If they do let Marcus fall then WOW. The only thing that bugs me is that pundits and NFL fans are already linking us with Cutler, Locker and other wonderful QBs. Why are we always supposed to pick up the league's road kill?
Doesn't look like Winston or Mariota will get past the 3 spot. Jags are shopping it now...looks like you will have to move up.
Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees both came out of spreads in college. Neither was in a spread option though. It'll be interesting to see how people evaluate Mariota as the draft approaches. We're going to hear that he is going 1 or 2 right up until the picks are made because he's either going to do that or the team that makes the claim is going to try to trade him to the Eagles in exchange for Chip Kelly's soul. Then if he doesn't go early we'll see the real action start. Footnote on the Roethlisberger and Brees comparison is that Big Ben was put in a heavy rookie bubble for two years after he was drafted and attempted less than 25 passes a game over that span. Brees struggled with adjusting to the NFL game even with Doug Flutie on hand to take the starts his rookie year.
Are you asking me that? I don't have that kind of power. You should be asking the coaches from 100 schools that decide year in and year out who choose NOT to run pro style offenses. It seems to work for them. _
