You know the really sad part of this? I've been a Jets fan for 47 years and I've just gotten so used to the Jets way none of what's in this thread, regardless of how much is true or isn't, doesn't surprise, shock or strike me as anything but pretty much being par for the course. Dysfunction and rapid changes of direction are pretty much the norm
No. No it's not. Not if you watched them in college (not their production but how they played the position) and you watched all their games this year. I think you are misunderstanding the phrase "franshise QB". Neither of these guys are yet Brady or Rodgers or Manning or Brees or Ben or Flacco. That's just stupid. Neither is Luck yet. The difference with BOTH of these guys as compared to other young guys is their football IQ. Don't be fooled by "stats' in a vacuum. It's lazy. Both of those guys see what is happening before the ball is snapped and see what is unfolding before their eyes. _
Yup you have always been a fan of Teddy, I know you and I had discussions about him. I liked Carr but didn't think he would have gone as high as he did but you were on the Teddy bandwagon years ago. The Geno pick really killed us, I can remember the draft thread that year and as he kept falling I kept saying we're going to be the fools who bite, he's going to fall to us and we are going to fuck up and take him. I was begging someone to take him so we wouldn't be that team and sure enough.... dumb ass Jets
Prudent call in 2013 draft would have been to pass on QB - and Jets had a number of good candidates at 2nd round like Kiko, Robert Woods, et al. Instead he grabbed Geno in 2013, then passed a number of good WR/QB prospects in 2014. He royally fucked it up big time.
I don't get why you classify two quarterbacks whom played decently their rookie seasons as franchise quarterbacks. Just because you liked them prior to the draft doesn't make them sure bets to succeed and be very good players. You're on your high horse a bit too much these days because they played well for rookie quarterbacks. All of a sudden they're franchise guys because you said so? Come on.
Do you not understand the concept of projecting young guys out to be "franchise" QBs and actual "franchise" QBs. No one, especially me, is suggesting Teddy or Carr are NOW franchise QBs. Neither is Rodgers or Brady or Manning or Brees or Ben or even Eli or Flacco or Wilson. That's just either stupidity or being intentionally obtuse on your part. This is a discussion board based on opinions. Basically guesses because none if us are professional experts but all we have to base our personal opinions on is what we see. Teddy and Carr, IMHO, are superior young QBs in terms of talent and football IQ. The types of players you put in the bank and you build around. You don't need to worry 2 years into their tenure that you need to draft ANOTHER QB top 6. You may not like either player but you cannot deny BOTH their talent level AND their football IQ. You sound like someone who wants to get on his high horse about Geno. Physically talented but mentally flawed. Good luck with building a consistent winner around that. Teddy and Carr are the best young QB prospects since Luck IMHO and Idzik passed on BOTH to cover his ass for picking a flawed player and could not admit his mistake by choosing a superior QB in the very next draft. That's the way I see it. If you think that's a high horse I'm not apologizing. We've been one franchise QB from being a SB contender for over 4 decades. I like this horse. _
I'm not commenting on the players I'm commenting on you parading around the forums like someone who just got a better test grade than his coeds because you liked them out of college. It's old and annoying quite frankly, especially considering they haven't accomplished much of anything yet even though they certainly have the potential to do so.
What a load of BS. You didn't claim that Idzik screwed the Jets out of "superior young QBs in terms of talent and football IQ." Here is what you said: Time will tell if either or both of these guys turn out to be "Franchise QBs", but it hasn't been proven as of yet.
OK I may have overstated it a bit. Clearly parts of the organisation would have been functioning correctly within their own roles. However overall the organisation wasn't pulling together or working to the same plan. To me that's a dysfunctional organisation and one that can't be successful ultimately. Though your examples might be worse, for sure. That's not to say that there has to be total agreement to be successful either, I'm quite happy for there to be some internal tensions providing everyone is pulling in the same direction. I agree with your other post - it would be interesting to get Idziks perspective one day. I doubt we get more than rumours though. It doesn't seem his style. Personally I think he sold Woody on a long-term vision when he got the job and that was all he was thinking of, neglecting the short-term.
Yes I think it was the old well this guy was projected to go really high and he fell so we are smarter than all of you when in reality there was a reason he fell. He was not Aaron Rodgers who felt just out of pure bad luck. He was a guy who fell because football people knew his game wouldn't translate to the NFL. There were a number of ways we could have gone with that pick and while Sanchez wasn't ripping it up he wasn't in dire need of replacing at that point either. If Rex truly wanted a Ground and Pound team we could have gone with Eddie Lacy, sure it wouldn't have been the most popular pick but it would have meant that Rex truly wanted to win games by pounding the rock. I liked Glennon coming out of college and it's impossible to know how the draft turns out if we pass on Geno but there certainly would have been QB's later in the draft to be had.
Look nobody knows who is a franchise QB and who isn't but I think it's safe to say that had Teddy come out in 2013 instead of waiting a year he probably gets drafted ahead of Geno. There are no such things as a slam dunk but IMO Bridgewater would have in 2013 and in 2014 given us a better chance to win.
No I meant neither Teddy or Carr are any of those guys. Not that those guys aren't franchise QBs. Those guys ARE franchise QBs. _
