Yup and both are gone. Personally I don't think Rex gave a shit about the offense at all-like zero- so when Idzik mandated Geno be the starter Rex said "who cares?" I got my defense! Until he realized Geno had gotten him fired and he gave that fuck you to Udzik by taking the ball out of his hands in that first Miami game. _
How am I blindly defending Geno? Do I make excuses for his shit plays and boneheaded decisions? Have I ever blamed the OC for his shit play do I ever use "lack of weapons" to excuse Geno's shit play? Where are you getting this idea from? I guess because I give him credit when he plays well? As for the BS thread I don't want to get back into that discussion just agree to disagree there.
There's no proof that Idzik ordered Rex to start Geno. Rex denied it when questioned about it. All this was is a Mehta tweet and as I'm sure you'd agree the guy is insidious and pernicious and every bad word you can think of. Geno unlike Mark was actually benched a few times after horrendous play. But after the Vick no-show against the Bills to me it made perfect sense to start Geno. And he played ok down the stretch. I know based on your expert analysis he is a total loser and never will be a good starter in the NFL. Another thing about the hated Idzik. He drafted guys and when they didn't work out cut them. Which means he wasn't trying to just start the players he drafted. As a matter of fact he re-signed veterans like Pace, Cumberland etc. that weren't his acquisitions.
I'll admit I only skimmed through this thread. Honestly though, am I supposed to give a shit about what's "fair" in the media? It's opinions and entirely subjective. You know what's not an opinion: 4-12. Geno is not the answer, media or no media.
This is really a thread about Geno not the media. At least it's the direction it's gone in. To me: Geno isn't an NFL starter. He could be a better than average backup maybe. Which means if called on to play he could win a game. His percentage of decent starts as compared to bad ones is maybe around 20%. Can he go beyond this. I would say it's around the same percentage: 20%. He has a 20% chance of being a good player and a starter in the NFL. It's a ballpark figure and an estimate. All signs so far point to mediocrity.
Again you've missed the entire context of the discussion I was having with 2 other posters about a very discreet point. I wanted Teddy or Carr last year and someone made an idiotic point that Geno in his second year was better that Carr in his rookie season. He wasn't. Carr was better. But that has nothing to do with whether I think Carr or Geno can improve going into 2015. I think Carr can because I think he is physically a more talented player but MENTALLY his football IQ dwarfs Geno's. I expect to see a big leap for Carr this year. I don't think Geno improved in 2014 over 2013. Sure, he had fewer INTs but he got BENCHED after one of the worst stretches of football I've seen in my life. His incremental improvement was so small I don't see it as progress, I see it as regress. And because I don't think he's got much football IQ I don't see him improving all that much in 2015. That's my honest opinion. You're all giddy about the guy, you can hope to see improvement. A "high" second round pick? Do you realize how silly that sounds? It's a second round pick--NOT a massive investment like a "high" first round pick. Again with the bullshit red-herring about that mirage of his last f games. Please stop. He did NOT play "well" at the end of the season. He just didn't play as god-awful as he had played for the rest of the entire year. Over those last 4 games with a completely dumbed down playbook he completed less than 59% of his passes for under 199 yards a game. He just didn't turn the ball over with the frequency he did earlier in the year. But I know what you're going to say--"He had the second highest QB rating after PEYTON FREAKING MANNING over that span". Such a bullshit red herring. Every NFL QB has shown "flashes". That's not a reason to run him out there. Hind sight is 20-20 but it's pretty obvious they WERE wrong for giving him a shot in year 2. Should have drafted Teddy or Carr and started Vick. And now you're hoping for more of the same because you're a Geno apologist. _
NFL starting caliber differs depending on who you ask. In your opinion if he becomes a Dalton caliber player would you consider that starter level? Would that be an acceptable level of play for Geno?
Because after 2 years of awful football you want to run him out there again. Surround a flawed player with MORE talent and hope the new OC who makes chicken salad out of chickenshit can hide his flaws. Yes, because you were being a massive jackass in the thread. I'd revisit it at anytime if you'd like because as a good husband and Dad I'm proud of my stance but I don't think you want the rest of the board to see where you stand on beating women. _
Rex taking the ball out of Geno's hands in that Miami game is all the proof I need that the decision to start Geno came from above. And I'm not talking about Idzik's crap drafting--because it was--and I applaud him for cutting shitty players he drafted. My biggest issue with Idzik is who he FAILED to draft at the most important position in football because he needed to defend a flawed draft pick. _
Funny I don't agree on cutting Saunders unless there was something other than skill level in that decision. I wouldn't have drafted a Qb in the 2014 draft because it was too small a window (one season) needed to evaluate Geno plus he had 4 ok games down the stretch which I know you consider to be bullshit. Again I think you need 3 years to evaluate his drafts.
Yes those 4 games were a mirage and in evaluating Geno I had 4 years, his awful first year and his mirage in college. But obviously someone disagreed that you need 3 years to evaluate his draft because he's gone and I don't think there is any way to say his 2014 draft wasn't an unmitigated disaster. I wouldn't have drafted a QB in 2013--one of the weakest draft classes in memory, I would have waited until 2014, one of the strongest draft classes in recent memory. I actually wrote an honest to God letter to Idzik before the 2013 draft imploring him to adopt that strategy. True story. He didn't listen. _
Idzik got 10 million letters from fans telling him what to do. I honestly think he tried to work with Rex and wasn't trying to torpedo him. I saw the guy on the field and after games and he looked genuinely happy after the Jets won. He wasn't trying to lose so he could fire Rex and get his own coach. At least I don't believe so. As for Geno he was a 2nd round pick and during his senior season for a while considered a top ten draft pick. None of the draft experts felt he was a poor selection considering where he was selected. I am not 100% convinced he cannot be a starting Qb in the NFL. PS did Idzik at least send you a form letter acknowledging your letter or did (as reported from the press-some said he would not return their phone calls) he totally blow you off.
LOL, never heard a response. I don't think Idzik was trying to lose or to get Rex fired, that was too Machiavellian for him. I think he was a totally incompetent boob who was way over his head and he failed to secure a franchise QB in 2014 because he needed to protect the perception of his 2013 investment. With foresight you can say he should have given Geno 2014--that was not MY foresight. In hindsight, had Geno come in the next year and go 62% 21-12 for 3000 yards then maybe he would have looked smart. But Geno shat the bed and played WORSE than he played in 2013 IMHO. You can excuse a rookie looking like he did. You can not excuse a second year player looking the way he did. Had Idzik been a real football man, he would have realized his QB was a flawed player and that there were widely superior options for a franchise QB at the 18th pick in 2014. That's not hindsight on my part--that was foresight. A guess, but a guess I got right. Btw, after Geno stopped playing the cupcakes on his schedule as a senior, he quickly fell to an also ran and because some may have viewed him as the best QB prospect in that draft--that draft was incredibly weak at the QB position from top to bottom. Skinniest girl at the fat farm, as it were. _
Idzik had personnel experience he wasn't just a cap guy. And he was a college player, too. Plus years working in 3 different orgs. I think he got shafted by Woody.
Anyone who continues to trot this tripe out should be damned to watch this press conference 5 times a day until they stop. The dude was an incompetent boob who was way over his head. And he fucked us out of our franchise QB. Woody didn't shaft him. Idzik shafted us. _
Idzik did not get the shaft... He was never qualified for the job, the head hunting firm that sold him to the jets deserves a gold star.. Idzik is probably an ok guy and has spent years in football and a good 12th man on your executive team. Lol he was sold as a guy that has done a little of everything, when in fact he had bs job titles and basically was the guy responsible for setting up bis schedules, hotel accommodations etc.. This was doomed from the start, idzik may have had a plan but that plan even if executed perfectly would be under constant scrutiny in NY . The fact he was utterly incompetant is what sealed his fate so quickly And thank god. If given more time he would have set the orginization back even further.
The presser was pathetic. And a legit reason for firing the guy. Because PR is a part of the job. And he was detested by the media esp. after that press conf. I don't believe he was an incompetent fool and his draft grades at this time are incomplete. I don't think you'd give him any credit for some of the good things he did. As for the letter you sent him. There is no excuse for him not at least giving you a polite form letter reply. A few personal words wouldn't have hurt either.
I don't think Geno was better my only point was that their play was close. Both showed flashes both did some good things. But both had their bad moments too. I don't think the book is written on Geno yet and he'll more than likely get a chance to compete. He improved his completion percentage, I saw a guy that stepped in the pocket and reduced his propensity to back peddle. I seen a guy that how through progressions, and improved his ability to take snaps under center. The issue is consistency. I think he can improve but he need to really step up. With this new regime they won't wait long to kick him to the curb. Second round picks are still valuable picks. You don't just treat them as if they're disposable. You draft a guy high in the 2nd round you want and hope to get a return on that investment. He made progress at the end of the year. That's all you want from a young qb. You want them to improve and get better as the season goes along. Again if you draft a guy and see potential in the guy then you don't draft a qb the very next year. You develop your young qb and put him in the best position to succeed. I could understand WHY they gave Geno a second year. He showed flashes throughout his rookie year and he had a decent end of season performance. If they don't believe in Geno they draft a qb at 18.
I never said he was. I said what is an acceptable level of QB play and used Dalton as a reference point.
